I've been thinking about an R93 (and a friend's son has recently purchased one) but I understand that there have been some failures -- and that it has been discussed on this board in the past.
Any information would be appreciated...

http://www.wildundhund.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=39&t=000830

Carcano

More information than you have ever wanted:

http://www.deportiro.com.ar/armaslargas/bl10.shtml

I have an R-93 in 257 Weatherby that shoots great. After I heard rumors of blow-ups etc. I researched through a lot of the data you'll see listed.
My personal summation is as follows:

1. A man in Germany was injured by a R-93 that blew up. It was a 300 Weatherby that belonged to his friend. I have not seen conclusive reports on whether it was fired with factory or reloaded ammo. I personally suspect badly reloaded ammo was the cause.
2. Blaser says their guns are perfectly safe and the damage was caused by a bad reload.
3. R-93 do seem to "blow up less gracefully" than some other action types. They don't have a way for gas to pass through holes in a bolt etc.

I'm going to continue to shoot mine. But perhaps more cautiously........DJ

...perhaps more cautiously...

What does that mean?

I might shoot more moderate loads.

And how do you ensure that factory loads are indeed moderate? How do you guarantee that you never make a mistake when reloading? How do you know that your brass won't fail?



I guess my point is that even doing everything "right" and being cautious, there is still a real possibility of cartridge failure -- not as large a probability as if you are in the habit of shooting sloppily reloaded hot loads, but still never zero. And there's nothing you can do in the way of caution to make it zero. If the action doesn't handle such failures safely, then I don't want to shoot the rifle -- even cautiously; especially not when there are other actions and rifles available that do a much better job of handling the same failures.

Unlike some of his shooting buddies that incist upon blowing up the same rifle three times, have it rebuilt a fourth time and shooting it again!

Huh? I have no buddies like that.

"Estoy enterado que las siguientes investigaciones se est�n llevando a cabo:



1 Accidente cerca de M�nster con un fusil Blaser R93 calibre 6,5x68

1 Accidente cerca de Koblenz recientemente con un fusil Blaser R93 .300 Weatherby

1 Accidente en Africa con un fusil Blaser R93 calibre .416 Rem Mag, que result� luego robado

2 Accidentes cerca de Nantes, uno con un fusil Blaser R93 calibre .375 H&H y otro con un .300 Winchester Magnum

1 Accidente cerca de Paris con un fusil Blaser R93 .375 H&H

1 Accidente en Austria"



Gentlemen

7 accidents reported from this site. I heard of one with a 8X68S and a 3006, soo that makes it a total of nine. The action turns into shrapnel when things to wrong



I'm glad that I sold my blaser R-93 while they still were popular. Never like it anyway



The mannors of Blaser's executive's is far from flattering and they should stop threatening people like Mr. Arndt G. Kriegeskorte and Lutz Moeller.



Cheers

/ JOHAN

Why have there been no reported failures from the US? It seems all the incidents are isolated to Europe.

JimR

Thanks for giving us Africa. Feels much better already

/ JOHAN

You are welcome, thanks for pointing out my oversight. But, the point being no reports from the US. Care to respond to that issue?

And the 06, johan?

Vernon



I really don't like your obnoxious tone with a touch of Abwehr attitude. Try with a PLEASE next time



Proof? Perhaps you shall go back and read my reply again. I wrote heard I have not seen the actual rifle in with my own eyes. Maybe you are not familiar with the difference? A friend of mine in Austria told me about the Blaser R-93 failure some time ago. According to my friend the accident happend in Austria. I contacted my friend again about the caliber etc. He didn't recall the caliber.



I noticed that there has been a Blaser R-93 failure in Austia with no details. Perhaps it's the failure I heard about? Soo it's possible that it's the one that is already listed. The list didn't include the failure in Norway with the 8X68S that I heard about



Still the failures seems to happend regardless of small, medium or big bore calibers



JOHAN

Hearsay.
- mike

Wow no 'proof' of a R93 blowing up in 30/06! Now that really inspires me to go out and buy one as long as it is in '06. I have always sort of wanted a R93 since I first saw one in '94 or so. I liked the innovative concepts but was never happy with the plastic cheap feel of the bolt.

When I was ready to buy a higher end rifle a year or so ago I compared a R93 and a Sauer 202 side by side. I bought the Sauer as it looked, felt, and handled like a 'real' rifle. And that was before I saw pix of a maimed one-eyed rifleman or heard of the R93 failures(magnum only of course!).

The R93 is beautiful in its highter grades but I don't want to roll the dice when I pull the trigger. How about you? Plateau Hunter

Oh how I love these great stories of a friend�s friend of a friend, somebody has heard of.
By the way I heard of a Weatherby blowing up in Norway, stripping all nine locking lugs plus the bolt handle.
And I heard of two failures in Austria, where two reloaders blew a Steyr and a M/98 bolt action to bits and pieces the same weekend, the one Austrian Blaser R 93 case occured. (Obviously they did it only to help the Blaser guys feeling better?).

FACTS PLEASE!

Serious: Up until now in 2 - two - documented cases, incidently of very super hot ammo, the current Blaser R93 action blew back - exactly as other actions sometimes did and do.

In both R 93 cases, the case brass was "plasmated" (that�s "more liquid than liquid") - imagine the skyrocketing pressure!

In one case the ammo manufacturer already took over.
The Koblenz case is still pending.

Blaser told me, they have *no reports at all* of accidents in France or Africa or the Americas.
Up until now, they are not even officially informed of the Norwegian case pictured in the beginning of this thread, which occured late October already.

To answer most probably upcoming questions: No, I�m not on the Blaser payroll, and yes, I�m still using my Blaser R 93 bolt actions - even the one in .416 Rem.Mag., which is my most used "PH tool under the hot African sun".

Vernon

Vernon

From the bottom of my heart. Belive anything you want, I don't care what think. I trust my friends word and make my own opinions. I owned a blaser r-93 while they still were new. It was a sick rifle.



If you want to get more FACT OR PROOF contact Lutz Moeller. I guess he will surely provide you with facts and proofs about the blaser. Lutz is working in the arms & ammunition industry. Blaser can continue to distract everyone about their fantastic rifle. How come they are soo quiet keeping the lid on? http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/index.html



The heard rifle weatherby i Normway has been written about, someone managed to mix a 7mm rem mag among the 270 wby ammo. As for your told african experince I don't really care what you use



Cheers

/ JOHAN

Johan - that�s no facts -
including the link to Lutz Moeller (who tries in vain to sell muzzle brakes plus monolithic bullets plus hunting trips, plus some strange "improvement" to the Blaser action, he *think* it works - no thank you so much!).

Happy hunting
Vernon

vernon,

The smart ones ask when they don't know. And, sometimes when they do.

Best regards,
Stromberg

Where there's smoke there's often fire.

Why do we hear stories about plastic Blasers blowing up, but no stories about Mausers blowing up? Hmmm.....

500grains,



try another look:



1. there are a lot of Mausers blowing up;



2. Mauser and R-93 most likely not in the same way.





Regards,

Stromberg

Cacarno, was this person injured by a Blaser blowing up? I cannot read German (pardon my ignorance), so I cannot tell what they are talking about on the site.

http://www.wildundhund.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=39&t=000830

The poster (not the guy on the picture) wants to sell something - some device or processing to enhance the safety of the R93.
- mike

The guy in the picture is Norwegian, and was the one who got a load of 8X68S in his face...
As far as I've understood, he has said that the ammo wasn't reloaded "hot" (it was reloaded if anyone is doubting that), but then on the otherhand, no conclusion has been released yet by the Norwegian police who are investigating the rifle and remaining ammo.

I recently sold a Blaser R93, more because I wanted a mag. Mauser action than that I was afraid the R93 would blowup in my face. But, the thing that makes me wonder a bit is that very little conclusive info has come out yet that totally clears the Blaser... IMO.

Erik D.

Mine fails all the time. I can't seem to get all of the bullets to go into one hole.

This is about the best I can do:

Bummer that!

My R93 in .300 Win Mag is still worse.
Can't get the damn thing to shoot better, I should have listened to our anti-Blaser experts

Oh, and I forgot to complain about my other R93 in .222 Rem, the bullets must be tumbling for I can't get them into the same hole neither

Another R93 accident can be added to the list : about two years ago, in my country, a R93 in .300 WinMag blew up leaving the shooter with very serious injuries in his face and hand.
I have talked about it with the Blaser agent for Portugal immediately after the accident, and he claimed that, according to his sources the shooter was �testing reduced loads�.
I have two R93 rifles (9,3x62 and .300WinMag) and I reload for all my rifles.
As a reaction to all these accidents I stopped reloading and shooting the .300 WM and will replace it.

B.Martins