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[ 12-01-2003, 18:39: Message edited by: Ralph Smegma ]

I'm sure you have issues with Swamp, Ralph or whoever you are, but this is unacceptable to me.

I'm not great Swamp fan, but this is uncalled for.
It's his forum. Your nick and your post here both have a bad stench.

Rusty
We band of brothers!

I agree with Rusty. Some of us may not enjoy Swamp's forum, but he owns it. So we avoid posting there.

Last time I checked this is a Gunsmithing forum. Many of use it to share ideas about gun building. This is no place for name calling, psuedo funny doctored photos, or running someone into the ground. Let's keep it this way.

Ralph Smegma,

Welcome to the forum.

I totally agree with what my friends Rusty and John have said.

I'd rather present facts and personal experiences and let those realities stand on their own merit in 'most any hunting-related internet discussion.

Most people see the truth for what it is.........

AD

I will not apologize for any of this. This liberal woman has brought all of this upon himself. Now excuse me I need to go buy a Dakota per his expert advice.

[ 12-01-2003, 19:13: Message edited by: Ralph Smegma ]

Over the edge, not really if you know about Swamps behavior on his own board. Sure he owns it and is free to operate as he chooses. Nobody knows and supports that right more then I do.

Swamp has brought on all this ridicule with his own actions. When you use your rights to crush dissenting opinions and then portray your own opinions and conjectures as facts when they are the farthest removed from that, (Swamp isn�t even qualified to offer an educated opinion about firearms), you leave yourself open to these types of, response in kind.

Swamp banned me as well as several other well respected long time members for simply disagreeing with him. My how he has changed I remember when his board was new he was no censorship for any reason now he bans on childish whims.

Then he does extremely deceitful things. He hooked Dakota as a sponsor then whet back through the archives and deleted all his overpriced and other derogatory types� comments he had made about Dakota in the past.

I personally think it�s funny.

[ 12-03-2003, 09:45: Message edited by: Howard ]

Howard, it's not only funny, it's pathetic....

AD

Allen there must be some fancy word that describes situtions like this. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny but I don't know it.

You know I almost feel sorry for the guy but his actions recently prevent that.

Ralph,

Just walk away, as many of us did. I was the moderator of the African hunting forum for 2 or 3 years, and never received one bit of gratitude from Swamp, only grief.

His pronouncements regarding Dakota, Jack Belk, that maple-stocked monstrosity he called a 'custom gun', etc. speak for themselves.

George

Let this thread die, as every other thread pertaining to Swamp,H.A., etc. should.

It's a waste of bandwidth.

I can't stand his sight and told him so, but I also quit posting there, or even showing up. Why don't the rest of you do the same.

Now, back to gunsmithing.

Trigger its making me laugh. Today that seems like a good enough reason to me.

I agree , swamp is blowing chunks. I was trying to figure out whats going on at HA. There just isnt Hardly any real knowledgeable , experienced, educated opinions On guns , gunstocks etc etc posted over there anymore.

I dont know swamp , but just by reading his replys its obvious the guy doesnt have any experience or common sense, or true knowledge about anything related to guns or hunting. He sure is trying to prove he does and just making a fool out of himself.

I use to enjoy posts and replys from J belk , custom stocks and several others .


I think Ill hang out here at this forum. There are some knowledgable and helpful posters here.

And I agree that forum Is pathetic and lame anymore.

[ 12-01-2003, 21:12: Message edited by: GSP7 ]

Any forum is only as good as the people who post there. It is a simple truth that it takes good, knowledgable people to keep one interesting. It's also a simple matter to be an observer and decide which forum or forums best meet that criteria for you.

As others have said, I too have removed certain forums from my "Favorites" button on my computer.

Just as Chic says "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun", life is also to short to worry about a forum that doesn't hold my interest, and doesn't have the most knowledgable participants. I might add AR is at the top of my "favorites" button.

I've had no dealings with Swamp so I have no opinion of him, and if I did I probably wouldn't air it here.

My beef is with the level of humor I see here, it's pathetic. This is what I'd expect from teenagers, young teenagers at that, not grown men with supposed intelligence.

If you lifted the image from somewhere, you could have lifted something funny. If you spent the time creating it yourself, find another occupation.

Learn what's funny before you try to make me laugh. True humor must make one think, it needs to be clever. This is just stupid.

Rob

I'm quessing everyone who opens this thread knows exactly what the topic matter will be. For those offended perhaps skipping it all together will save themselves the grief of having to add to what they already consider a waste of bandwidth. I happen to get mild amusement out of his antics.

btt

So this where all the ex-pat moderators from HA hang out? Alot of familiar names in that left hand column Thought I should register and get the lay of the land sort to speak. I should be here on a full time basis shortly.

What is "Swamp" and what is "HA"? He sounds like an idiot named Dane Burns.

[ 12-03-2003, 02:07: Message edited by: Dave_T ]

Dennis, this is a very pleasant surprise! I'm glad you decided to join us over here. It's about time that you did!

Napoleon made this statement: "Never get in the way of your enemy while he's making a mistake!"

AD

While no fan of Swamp, I find the original post here rather sophomoric.

Welcome dennis, you will find most of the orignal crew over here and I think more coming every day

Swamp has always had censorship and you would have seen that if you participated in the HA Political forum.

I feel that in many ways the Remington 700 issue and the requests for server donations have pushed Swamp much further down a track on which he was already running. He would received a lot of emails of support and then got carried away.

There is also no doubt that the growth of this site is in almost direct proportion to the fall off that has occurred with HA. Both sites have been very "guns and ammo" orientated and with a large number of people interested in owning and taliking about the more powerful rifles. As we all know the owner of this site is very well equipped in that area and Swamp is not and in addition Swamp seems to have no gun knowledge. In fact his gun knowledge seems to do different to me than what it was when I first saw HA.

But I sure use to have some fun with Swampy boy

Mike

Thank you all for the warm reception!

Actually surpised I can still log into HA after my whole parrot reply on the latest Dakota thread over there. I must not be trying hard enough

As I'm sure most of you know by now I'm looking for a nice pair of rifles to replace my hodge podge battery of Winchester & Weatherby brand rifles. I was considering Dakota or a custom M70 until a chat with a Dakota dealer pushed me into the direction a company called Hill Country Rife. Well, Hill Country raised their prices by a third to $6K and made several standard features optional for more money over base. They also changed the stock design from a half forearm to a third forearm style which doesn't appeal to my eye. Also $6k is getting into Echols Legend price range So they're out. Right now it appears Rodger Biesen will get the nod based partly on Allen's recommndation. If & when I can scrape the funds together that is. It always seems as soon as I come close to having the money some other pressing business comes up.

I'm sure Dakota is fine enough rifle as long as the purchaser understands it's a semi custom/production product - not a true custom rifle. The last I will post on the subject over here. I promise.

[ 12-03-2003, 08:07: Message edited by: dSmith.45 ]

Sure .

Chuck

dsmith.45,

You'll get a better rifle from Roger than you can get from Dakota.

But I'm biased, as I have two rifles made by Roger.

Regards,

Terry

Terry, would love to read more about your experience with the ordering / build process with Rodger as well as details of rifles ( with pics if possible) Start a new thread if necessary.

Thanks,
Dennis

Dennis, one suggestion I'd make is that you start looking for a couple of actions (or doner rifles) to base your custom projects upon. I always pick out my own actions, then send them to the gunmaker for his approval. That way, when the rifle is complete it comes straight to me. No FFL-holding local gunstore person gets involved with the finished product, plus it eliminates the Federal excise tax that you'd otherwise have to pay, which is based on the value of the entire finished custom rifle.

For example, a few months ago I found a 1950-built Model 70 in .270 Win. on a local gunstore's used rack with the action in unaltered original condition. I sold the vintage scope that was on it, stock, etc., and kept the action.

Around the same time, I found an unaltered, new-condition current Model 70 Classic .30-06 at a local gunsmith's. It was a "pre SC" Classic, and as such still retained the firing pin stop screw in the bolt sleeve (the current ones do NOT), which is an important feature in my estimate. The price was low to begin with, but I negotiated a deal in which the gunsmith pulled the barrel and kept all of the parts except for the receiver, bolt assembly, and trigger group. This brought the price down a good deal further, and all of those parts would be replaced anyway.

AD

allen, are you trying to corner the market on all the pre-64 actions?
Very sound advice as to supplying your own action for a custom. There are tons of complete guns out there at bargin prices if you just look around.
I have found that by buying a complete gun and then parting it out and selling the stock, barrel and scope that I end up in the action from 250 to 350 for a nice usable action sometimes even less.

Jimmy, I have this thing about actions, and I always tell myself, "Just one more!"

When I attend a gunshow or rummage through gunstores anywhere that I might be, my number one objective is to find (yet another!) doner rifle to tear down for the action. I don't care what the rest of the rifle looks like, it just has to have a sound, unaltered action that meets my specs. I sift through a lot of rifles, and buy very few of them.....

Here's another fun gunstore sleeper acquisition: Recently, I found a 1963-built Remington 700 BDL in 7mm Rem. Mag. at a stupidly low price at a gunstore near here. It was buried in the behind-the-counter "used", section (I didn't spot it right off), covered with dust, didn't look like it had been cleaned in twenty years (at least), and carried a vintage 3-9X Redfield scope in some kind of cheap, turkey mounts from that era. It even came with the original Remington-supplied sling attached, and I had serious doubts that it had been hunted with more than once or twice since it was new.

I wasn't exactly in the market for a Model 700, but since it was priced (scope and all) much cheaper than even a current Model 710 contraption at GI Joes, I bought it anyway, under the proviso that the merchant throw in a box of ammo. One box of Remington 150 gr. CoreLoct ammo was passed over the counter and we had a deal.

It took some time, but I pulled the scope and mounts, threw the mounts away, then took the rifle apart and cleaned it. It was a long-neglected mess, but the rifle was completely original and unaltered, the bore was perfect (factory stainless barrel helped), the trigger had never been tampered with and was really crisp, and no bedding had ever been attempted. The inletting was really even, and really tight. When finished and reassembled, the rifle looked just about new. I had a set of 1" Buehler rings and Buehler Model 700 bases hidden away, so I remounted the Redfield 3-9X that came with the rifle in those. It was a good-looking 1960s-style package! Some time later, I finally went out and shot it, and got sub-1" groups right off the bat with that thrown-in Remington 150 gr. stuff. I was really pleased, but not exactly surprised!

I LOVE good, used, older rifles.....

AD

[ 12-03-2003, 19:54: Message edited by: allen day ]

Allen, I'm with you... used M70's (pre-SC). I have two in stainless, both Featherweight 06's... with one I took a Black Bear, Antelope, bull Elk and Mule Deer this year... the old 06 works!

Anyway, I want to know what your thought's are regarding the firing pin stop screw... I know they no longer have it on the current bolt shroud... what gives?

Thanks,

BA

Brad, it was probably an economy measure. It was that or the barrel. They thought the missing screw would have less impact on sales.

You guys and the nostalgia of older better made rifles.....

Just choked that they all have the bolt on the wrong side.

Chuck

P.S. Allen, my dad's main hunting rifle for the last 35 (?) years has been a factory stainless barrelled model 700 in 7mm rem mag. Sadly, I think the barrel is going south.

Whats the SC stand for in the Classic pre SC

My 4 year old featherwieght classic Has no screw in the sleeve .

Any pictures or discrption of this screw?

SC = South Carolina

Winchester built a manufacturing facility in South Carolina. The "pre-SC" rifles refer to ones built in the New Haven plant.

From what I've heard (admittedly all second hand), Winchester had a bit of a problem finding good workers for the new plant and/or bringing them up to speed.

Swamp is such an outright liar.

He is begging for donations again then posting messages thanking ghosts for their donations. http://www.huntamerica.com/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dedicated&Number=459131&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1

This year he needs 1200 more to keep his lame ass site afloat in past years it was 5000 wonder why the change? He claims to need 5000 to have a dedicated server. When it was pointed out that you could get servers for less then 1000 the silence was deafening.

I used to think he was a nice guy but uninformed and very impressionable. Now I THINK he is just a snake, liar, and cheat.

Here is an email I got today from my ISP.

$120.00 Per Year
$ 20.00 Per Domain Name
$ 60.00 Setup

$45.00 Per Hour Tech Support


Clint


----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Homesley
To: Clint Bridges
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: dedicated server

Clint if I was to have you host a web site for me, one with enough traffic to require a dedicated server what would the cost for that hosting be?

Howard Homesley
Moses Lake WA

Swamp should be able to get sufficient corporate funding from the good folks at Dakota for his server fund. All things considered, it's the least they should do: That plus make a Master Dealer out of him and give him a basic (maybe used even?) rifle in a non-magnum/non-Dakota chambering that he gets to keep for his own and hunt paper with........

Brad, that firing pin stop screw was part of the original Model 70 package, going clear back to 1936. It's a key part in my opinion. Even the worst of the mid-'60s push-feeds featured that stop screw. It's elimination is just another cost-cutting proceedure, akin to the plastic magazine followers they atttempted to hoodwink us with a few years ago. I only buy "pre-SC" Model 70s that have it, and until things change for the better somehow, the current Model 70s are not rifles I choose to purchase.

You have two stainless Featherweights in .30-06? I know that one of them was an amazing shooter from the get-go. How's the other one so far?

AD

I have serious doubts that swamp and all his misinformed ravings are doing the folks at Dakota any good at all.