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really red, really dark wood
17 July 2007, 18:52
new_guyreally red, really dark wood
This is a piece I just picked up for a 500 Jeffery project.
1/4 sawn, really dark, really red and really difficult to photograph.
Dense? When you rap it, it rings!
17 July 2007, 18:54
BuliwyfNice color. What type of wood is this?
17 July 2007, 19:03
new_guyIt's thin-shelled walnut, and is apparently about as close to true Circassian as you can get from wood being cut today. It's coming from one of the "stan" countries.
17 July 2007, 19:22
30 Caliber Mag FanChris-
That blank is about as good as it gets!!!
What action are you building your project on?
May the wind be in your face and the sun at your back.
P. Mark Stark
17 July 2007, 19:56
jeffeossotermendous blank... wow, what a rugged life that tree had
17 July 2007, 20:07
MacifejAny chance you might reveal your source?
17 July 2007, 20:48
Schrodinger's CatHas that wood had any stain applied or just oil/varnish? You don't often see them that color. Beautiful piece of wood.
17 July 2007, 21:11
Marc_StokeldWOW!
17 July 2007, 21:19
new_guyquote:
Originally posted by 30 Caliber Mag Fan: What action are you building your project on?
Mark - It's going on the unfinished FN that I posted here a few months back. Stuart Satterlee is finishing the action and building the rifle.
quote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
Any chance you might reveal your source?
The wood came from Bill Dowtin at Old World Walnut. Tell him that you saw my blank.
http://www.oldworldwalnut.com/quote:
Originally posted by Schrodinger's Cat: Has that wood had any stain applied or just oil/varnish? You don't often see them that color. Beautiful piece of wood.
No stain. And you’re right… you don’t see those color combinations of red much anymore. There is coat of something clear on it – as I tried to put a little water on it when it arrived and the coating repelled the water.
17 July 2007, 22:05
butchlocmany moons ago i did a stock out of rosewood - damn that looks alot like it
New Guy ) Did anyone happen to mention a latin or genius name for the wood ?. Even a family wood group name ?.
Thin shelled Walnut is not exactly a species !. If it came from a " Stan " country then that narrows it some what .Except that it's not a Walnut or in the Walnut family that I know of .
It doesn't even look like it comes from those regions either . I could and have been mistaken several times but generally not on wood species .
How heavy is the wood ?. Wood is generally weighed green or 12% moisture content by the cubic foot .
I have seen Indian Almond wood near that color ( Family Combretaceae ) also known as Ketapang ,Talisai , Sabah ..
Burma Padauk also looks very much like what you have. ( Family leguminosae ) Pterocarpus macrocarpus . Also Andaman Padauk is so close only an examination of it can reveal it's true species from the above mentioned . There are several others in addition to those I mentioned .
Please remember ( ALL of YOU ) certain woods from other countries have particular characteristics . Some of which are Killers !.
Severe respiratory or skin inflammation is common even death can occur while sawing or sanding some of these " Exotic woods " !.
Just be sure of what you have species wise and be safe !. That's all . It's a nice looking piece of wood all else aside !. ...
18 July 2007, 02:31
new_guyDr. K - I understand it to be Juglans Regia walnut, but I also understand that there are 200+ sub-species of Juglans Regia.
Bill's web page has some details on his woods. Your questions would be better answered there than any attempt that I could make.
We're all wood-junkies, and I'm sure would be interested in your comments after reading Bill's info.
Let us know what you think.
18 July 2007, 02:48
Charles_HelmA very nice looking blank for what I am sure will be an exceptional rifle.
Nice stick! Does she have a sister?
Terry
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18 July 2007, 08:05
333_OKHquote:
Originally posted by Dr.K:
New Guy ) Did anyone happen to mention a latin or genius name for the wood ?. Even a family wood group name ?.
Thin shelled Walnut is not exactly a species !. If it came from a " Stan " country then that narrows it some what .Except that it's not a Walnut or in the Walnut family that I know of .
It doesn't even look like it comes from those regions either . I could and have been mistaken several times but generally not on wood species .
How heavy is the wood ?. Wood is generally weighed green or 12% moisture content by the cubic foot .
I have seen Indian Almond wood near that color ( Family Combretaceae ) also known as Ketapang ,Talisai , Sabah ..
Burma Padauk also looks very much like what you have. ( Family leguminosae ) Pterocarpus macrocarpus . Also Andaman Padauk is so close only an examination of it can reveal it's true species from the above mentioned . There are several others in addition to those I mentioned .
Please remember ( ALL of YOU ) certain woods from other countries have particular characteristics . Some of which are Killers !.
Severe respiratory or skin inflammation is common even death can occur while sawing or sanding some of these " Exotic woods " !.
Just be sure of what you have species wise and be safe !. That's all . It's a nice looking piece of wood all else aside !. ...
Wild Juglans regia....
I am working on an environmental review of the last remaining forests of this species in the turkish/stan countires......AMAZING qualities and it gets mixed in with regular orchard grown woods!!!!!
18 July 2007, 08:08
333_OKHCrap,.....I just looked at his woods and it might be the best color yet. Somewhere he has tapped this wild grown market.
So far best are in Albania and Kyrgyzstan
18 July 2007, 08:13
tomo577chris,
for what you are going to put into the 500 why not set aside the fn action and find a single square bridge action to make it correct.
i don't think you would ever regret putting that action into your nice wood.
w j jeffery would be proud of you !
TOMO577
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18 July 2007, 08:43
new_guyTom - That has crossed my mind, and I'm still sorta weighing action choices.
On the one hand, I could have a new Mauser made (any bridge style) for the same price that I could buy an original Brevex (with the new action's quality being better than the Brevex). Either way, those are both $3K actions.
The 500 obviously fits in a standard '98, so a surplus 98 is a viable (less expensive) option too.
Although the action above looks rough in the photo (discolored), it's actually in very good shape. As a rough forging, it has lots of meat left on it. I sent the action to Stuart for his opinion, and he says with all the extra steel on it, it can be made into a nice action - meaning tight tolerances, good bolt fit, etc...
Personally, I like the profile of the charger hump without the stripper clip cut on the rear.
Either way, you'll be pleased to know that whatever action is chosen - it will ultimately be case colored.
Wow!
I'd say that wood gets a "yes sir" for sure.
Jason
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18 July 2007, 21:15
Gun toternice blank.
in the past, i myself, and a friend bought wood from bill.
if you have a problem with the blank good luck returning it.
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Yowsa!!!! Nice!
Time to sharpen the tools, and then keep that stone close.
Juglans Nigra of the Linnaeus family . Is Black Walnut . The word juglans is latin for Jupiter's nut !.
I'm very familiar with I thought every species of Walnut world wide !. Not to say that one has not escaped me.
Walnut of European species is Juglans regia or Royal walnut which includes Circassian .
Walnut hinds Juglans hindsii is California Walnut . Juglans cordiformis is Japanese Walnut
Juglans mandshurica is Manchurian Walnut , juglans australia is Argentina Walnut , Juglans neotropica is Peru Walnut .
Many local woods are known by many names but family genius is by a specific type . Sub species must be of the family genius to be included .
What you have is Circassian Walnut !. Or European Royal walnut or regia . Either way it's a nice looking stock blank Kudos on You !.
I shall visit the afore mentioned sight thanks .
I spend near 40 years importing hardwoods from almost every continent . I also did a college paper on Bio fuel mass alternatives .
The Eucalyptus genius has 751 hybrid & sub species. Of which several are excellent stable colorful woods for what ever wood working project one may have .
Bonus info is all that is . It's a nice looking piece of wood !!!.
Shoot straight know your target . ...
19 July 2007, 02:11
ForrestBquote:
Originally posted by Gun toter:
nice blank.
in the past, i myself, and a friend bought wood from bill.
if you have a problem with the blank good luck returning it.
Dowtin's reputation is so bad, I'm amazed he's been able to stay in the gun trade at all.
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19 July 2007, 02:18
shootawayThe stock blank looks more orange than red.I can't picture what the rifle will look like.I am not sure it will work.JHO!
19 July 2007, 03:07
CAS IIquote:
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Originally posted by Schrodinger's Cat: Has that wood had any stain applied or just oil/varnish? You don't often see them that color. Beautiful piece of wood.
No stain. And you’re right… you don’t see those color combinations of red much anymore. There is coat of something clear on it – as I tried to put a little water on it when it arrived and the coating repelled the water.
If it came from Dowtin, it has a stain on it. The "clear" stuff does have a tint to it to make the wood look better, at least all of the blanks I have gotten from him were so coated. Heck, you can see the dark, nasty stuff on the left end of the blank in the top photo.
If I never hear from Dowtin again it will be too soon. Good luck in your dealings, but if you do choose to do business with him, you deserve what you get.
Most of the wood he sells is nice stuff, but the risk of doing business with someone like that FAR outweighs the benefits of the nice wood.
Buyer beware.
19 July 2007, 03:55
Gun totergoody, goody, lets jump on that crook. i did not mean to get it started but since some are chiming in.....
I have three stories from friends and their dealings with the crook that runs from one state to the next and has now landed in Montana.
One of my friends, some time back, bought a bundle of blanks from Dowtin, The box showed up with the blanks....except...the best one was absent! AND, heres the clincher, the box was bound tight, there was no room missing. Bill Dowtin claimed the missing blank was in there when he sent it out. Thats funny Bill, there is no missing blanks from the nice tight box.
One of the other three stories...
Bought a blank that when it was turned had an internal defect, Bill simply would not stand behind a blank he charged nearly $2,000 for. Told my friend to get lost.
amazing
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21 July 2007, 03:59
Schrodinger's CatYou know, I thought that if that blank didn't have stain on it, it must be one of those truly rare pieces that are kinda wine-red colored, then someone commented that it is orange. I looked closer and it is in fact orange. It is just that there is so much black that combined with the orange, it looks red on the screen. Plus, I would bet anyone a dollar to a doughnut that stain has been applied to that blank. If you sand the top a little and got bare wood, I doubt that if you put finish on that you would get that same color.
Remember a Species is a Species NOT A COLOR !.
I could show you several samples of the SAME species of wood . You all would swear I was lying because of the color differences !. Soil, weather ( Heat cold rainfall minerals ) all contribute to not only color of wood but also the durability to a degree !.
back in the mid too late 70's when I was heavy into wood importing . A man from Colorado called me and asked if I might be interested in some Douglas Fir or some Hem fir ?. I did harwoods I told him , he replied yes I know but I want to send you some samples of my Fir . Ok send some and I'll see if I could find a market .
It came BLUE RED GREEN CHARCOAL !. It was stained !. But not applied stain !!!!!.
Yep folks that's right he grew the trees and fed watered them with minerals and dyes !.
They were true through colored WOOD !.
Shoot straight know your target . ...
21 July 2007, 06:24
fla3006quote:
new_guy: I could have a new Mauser made (any bridge style) for the same price that I could buy an original Brevex (with the new action's quality being better than the Brevex) Incorrect. Ever own a Brevex? Either way, those are both $3K actions Correct. The 500 obviously fits in a standard '98, so a surplus 98 is a viable (less expensive) option too. Best idea. A standard Oberndorf '98 is more porportionate to the Jeff and esthetically appealing. A modified 1935 Brazilian or Chilean for instance. Nice stock blank.
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21 July 2007, 07:23
jimatcatim interested in the case-coloring of your receiver... who do you have planned to do it??? bottom metal, trigger, sling swivels also???
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21 July 2007, 07:42
Marc_StokeldI will not case color a Mauser. You are giving up strength and toughness and operating outside the design parameters of the action. I know that case soloring became "cool" in the past few years and the fad is still in full force, but mechanically it does not make sense. People take unnecessary risks for the sake of getting some fragile colors that wear away incredibly faster than a blued finish wears.
21 July 2007, 19:59
El Deguelloquote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
It's thin-shelled walnut, and is apparently about as close to true Circassian as you can get from wood being cut today. It's coming from one of the "stan" countries.
Who sells it? BORAT??
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