If they come out with the Winchester Trails End Model 94 , I want to rechamber a 25-35 to a 25-35 Ackley improved version.Where would I get a reamer for this and also dies.It is 600 fps faster than the factory round .This puts it about even with a 250 savage well worth the trouble.

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Originally posted by dgr416:
Where would I get a reamer for this and also dies.

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Uh, dies are made by just about every major manufacturer, i.e. Redding, RCBS, C-H, etc.

Reamers can be had from Clymer.

CLICK D LINK

http://www.reamerrentals.com/12_-_264_caliber.htm

lists the 25-35AI reamer as being available as a rental

I'd suggest CH4D for the dies, but you might want to see if 257 Roberts Lee Collet die might work if neck sizing is all you think you'll need.

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Originally posted by Johnly:
I'd suggest CH4D for the dies, but you might want to see if 257 Roberts Lee Collet die might work if neck sizing is all you think you'll need.

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I wouldn't neck size in a Winchester 94, or any other levergun.

dgr416

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It is 600 fps faster than the factory round

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Do you really believe this?????

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Originally posted by vapodog:
dgr416

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It is 600 fps faster than the factory round

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Do you really believe this?????

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I don't.

25-35AI has a 28% greater powder capacity than the 25-35Win. Which would yeild a 7% increase in velocity at the same pressure.
The 25-35Win has a SAMMI pressure of 37000CUP, increase it to 42000CUP and you get another how many fps.
2235 + 7% = 2391 (156fps increase) plus whatever pressure gains you get.

tailgunner

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(156fps increase) plus whatever pressure gains you get.

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EXACTLY and the potential pressure increases could happen to the parent cartridge with $0.00 investment in remaers and special dies.....etc, etc.....
Any attempt to keep adding pressure to get the 600'/sec will most likely result in the destruction of the gun.

FWIW velocities of 600'/sec over the parent cartridge is likely to be around 70,000 PSI

I just ordered RCBS 25-35 dies from Lock Stock and Barrel for less than $40 delivered!
I would have gone the Ackley route, but the dies were too hard to get.

I am going to order the reamer and barrels now.

A$$clown has calculated for me that he 30-30 case head can do between 88k and 94 kpsi. I am converting a 91/30 to 30-30 right now, and I will convert one to 25-35.

15.5 gr. Bullseye will push 100 gr. 2600 fps with 4410 psi muzzle pressure [that is quiet for any deer rifle] at 88 kpsi chamber pressure.

While louder loads may go 3200 fps, 33.3 gr. H335 makes 8600 psi muzzle [average noise for a deer rifle] and 88 kpsi chamber.

Later I will convet a 303 Savage to 25-35, but t he pressure must be kept lower for easy extraction.

Just a little side note here. The 25-35 Win is not a leagel big game rifle in the state of Colorado but the 25Rem. is. So unless somebody loads factory rounds for the 25-35 to 1000fp of energy at 100yd, the 25-35 will remain illeagel in CO for big game hunting.

I dont think for a moment you would get those kind of gains and it might not feed as well as the original bottleneck cartridge.w/regards

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Originally posted by browser900:
Just a little side note here. The 25-35 Win is not a leagel big game rifle in the state of Colorado but the 25Rem. is.

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Huh? They're ballistically identical.

I read about the 600 fps gain in an article in gun digest.It was said in the article that P.O.Ackley said that the most improvement from any of his wildcats was the 25-35 Ackley improved with a 600 fps gain.I am trying to find which Gun Digest it was in.

You should take PO ackley claims with a grain of salt, and all older reloading articles for that matter. They seldom used cronographs, were extremely optomistic in their estimated velocities, and loaded to very high pressures.

If you want a 257 Roberts or 25-06, then by all means get one, but you'd be very ill advised trying to make a 25-35 into one.

Sez Ackley in his "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders" regarding the 25-35 Improved (Ackley), "this medium capacity case is suprisingly efficient and produces velocities practically equal to the .250/3000 and .257 Roberts. Even in lever actions such as the Winchester Model 94 or the later Model 64 satisfactorily high velocities can be obtained." His loads show velocties that exceed 3000 fps with bullet weights of 100grs or less.

For anyone to think that the .25-35 (or the AI version) cartridge in a M-94 lever action rifle will achieve (safely) 3,000'/sec with 100 grain bullets is to be extremely optomistic.

Please proceed with caution and let us know the results when your project is done.....I'd be delighted to own such a rifle in the handy little lever action.....hell I'd buy a .30-30 and rebarrel it for that type of performance.

pleasae bear in mind that all the .257 cal hunting bullets save the 117 round nose are pointed and not to be trusted in tubular magazines. So we're either looking at performance with the 117 round nose or we're looking at a single shot.

Hey [ Just some guy] the 25-35Win and the 25Rem are not ballisticlly identical, just close. In the 1952 edition of Western Ammunition Handbook,The energy for the 25Rem is listed as 1020fp at 100yd. The 25-35Win is listed with two loads at 945fp at 100yd. In the winchester ammunition 1997 ballistics guide the 25-35Win is listed at 904fp at 100yd. Therefore the 25-35Win is not legal to use to hunt big game in Colorado as 1000fp is required at 100yd range.
Close does not make it the same. I agree with both Vapodog and Paul H in their post.