1982 Rem 700 with M8 4x Leupold in 2pc conetrol rings and bases. No problems!

Rem 700 w/ 4x Leupold

This past year, wife bought me a Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster w/ side focus and mildot recitcle.

Rem 700 w/ Nikon 4.5-14x40 in 30-06 Ackley

As you can hopefully see the Nikon is set as far forward as possible, and I'm getting bounced between the eyes. Shooting glasses are keeping me from getting cut but the red, angry, swelling is a bother.

Suggetions?

GSSP,have no fear I am hear! I will help you with your problem.Measure the scope's eyepiece to the end of the butplate(part that touches your shoulder).This should be no less than 13 inches on a 30-06 and up for safe shooting.

From looking at the 2 pictures, it appears that the ocular eyepiece on the Nikon is farther back. I believe you need different mounts for this scope.

If those rings are dual dovetail, ie. interchangeable, then put the front ones on the rear and the rear ones on the front. That will allow you to move the scope an inch or so foreward.

Geronimo

Shootaway,

12-1/8" when the rifle was placed with it's butt on the floor and a yard stick used to measure to the front of the occular lens with the Bulter Creek scope cover opened.

Eddieharren,

Yep! The Nikon sits further to the rear than the old Leupold. Hoping to not have to buy a whole nother set of bases and rings if possible.

Geronomo,

Conetrol don't use dovetail; I believe. But I never thought of switching "both" of them around. Only thought of turning the front one around.

Oh yeah! Original 24 year old recoil pad has gotten quite hard. Plan on replacing it. Would a slightly longer one help? Current Decelerator pad is a total of .8" thick.

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Originally posted by GSSP:
Oh yeah! Original 24 year old recoil pad has gotten quite hard. Plan on replacing it. Would a slightly longer one help? Current Decelerator pad is a total of .8" thick.

Can't tell nothing from the pictures. Maybe if you were to post a picture of you holding the rifle, that might help.

Malm,

Does this help? My ugly mug would break the internet!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/GSSP/Nikon4.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/GSSP/OldDeceleratorrecoilpad.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/GSSP/Nikon4-1.jpg

All this tells me is that you are gonna get an eyefull of scope. I would like to see how the gun fits you. Put a bag over your head if you have to, but it really would help to see how the gun fits you.

BTW, don't let the rings make contact with the turret. Give the rings about a 1/16 inch clearance.

Hey Big Al,

Had a hard time locating what I was supposed to be looking for in the photos with all that camoflauge! Your shoe helped point me in the right direction!



In all seriousnes, from my perspective (O.K., I'm still sitting in front of the monitor!) there's no way you're gonna be able to get some more eye relief from those mounts & rings even if you do turn the front mount around. They are differnet heights and the rear one will only make the distance between the rings longer if it was to be switched. The rear ring would only afford you about another 1/4" forwards with the scope before you get into trouble with the ocular end. Plus the closer (and tighter) the rings are to the occular & power ring the more apt you will be to have difficulties with being able to turn the power ring.

My advice is free and please avail yourslef of whatever you think it may be worth; but from my perspective you're gonna need a set of extention rings to get that scope mounted right on that rifle - due to the amount of eye relief required.

You'll be able to increase the length of that short 12 1/8" stock with another pad - butnot much.

Hope you get your eyebrow whacker fixed....

Probably a bigger caliber would compensate for the flinch you are going to have. :-)

That is one thing I do not like about the direction scopes are going thee days. The length of the eyepiece is getting such that the scope ends up to far back, particularly for a long range rifle that will likely be shot from the prone position.

You could use one of the tactical style rails that will allow you to move both rings forward.

John

I would suggest either a one piece Picatinny rail, or a face shield!

Seriously, don’t screw around with the length of pull to try to fix this. That will just make your rifle awkward to shoulder and hold.

I'd have to agree with fyj on this one. Looking at the pics of your two rifles clearly shows how much the big scope hangs back behind the tang of the action. You could try one of Marty's rail mounts at BADGER ORDNANCE and rings if you like buying top quality stuff. Try and mount the scope the same distance from the rear tang as your 4X Leupold.

It is too far back and with that front ring against the adjustment turrets and all that front overhang, it is leaving a lot of leverage on the scope tube if it gets banged around. In other words not a very durable setup on a hunting rifle. I don't like that much scope on a hunting rifle anyway, so I eliminate a lot of those problems with a 3-9x or 3.5-10x max. I don't want over 3x on the lower end for offhand shooting.

Throw away those mounts and get some that will give you 13 inches and not 12 from your shoulder to the eyepiece before you hurt yourself..You may need 13 1/2 if your arms are not as strong as mine.

After your experience of trying to mount your own scope maybe you should seek out a good gunsmith who will correct your problem.

1: rotate the front base 180 deg
2. Move the scope forward until it is stopped by the eypice(if needed sand of on the rear end of the rear base for clearence)
3: take of your butler creeck flip open lencecaps.
4: put on a harder and thickre recoilpad

If done so you have gained about 1" of extra clearence, and that would help, on the wacking, and also on the support of the front of the scope.

If it still isn't enough buy and use a shoulderpadded shootingvest

I'm afraid the bottom line line is: That problem's exactly why they make and sell extension rings. It's like everything else in shooting (and life in general), you can make do with half-fast solutions, or you can pay the freight and do it the easy, certain, way.

If I were you, I'd force a big grin and buy the correct rings. After all, you are not paying for the scope....

Easiest fix is buy new rings and bases. If not like others have said.

Flip the front base (for looks if for no other reason)
Contact Conetrol and see if they make an extension rear base
Removed the cap
Relieve the back base to allow the scope to move as far forward as possible.

Last thought buy new rings and base You can get some very nice rings and bases for a fraction of the conetrol. Use them on another project or sell to cover the cost of new ones.

I’ve been wanting to ask the obvious question, so here goes.

I’m hoping that only one whack from the scope was enough to convince you that something wasn’t quite right, yes?

Gentlemen,

I appreciate all the comments, which I think are right on. This scope is too close to my eye.

Malm,

I now realize what you are looking for. The 'smith I ordered the rifle from at the Crossroads Gun show in 1982 at the Salt Palace had me do the same thing. He took one simple look and could simply what my LOP was. Not too worry; I'm going to get this problem worked out.

Gerry,

Good advice. Thanks!

Everybody else,

You're all right, a rail would give me lots of adjustability. I'm looking hard at the Badger site. I don't see prices. I WILL get a new recoil pad, one way or another. This old one is just too hard.

fyj,

Barrel and new chamber in 30-06 Ackley were just too appealing to wait, until scope problem kept biting me. Usually, if I kept my eye back, I'd be "ok" until I'd forget and "whack". I won't fire the gun again until problem gets fixed.