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If your thinking about a 257 medium contour from Shaw than be prepered for a long wait. After "8 months" of being lied to, jerked around, and given a list of excuses as long as my arm it finally came. My Smith was fit to be tied as he is the one theyve been lying to, they actually said twice that it had been shipped when in fact it hadn't.

This was my first experience with Shaw and their pitifull example of customer service alone has been enough to keep me from trying again. The end result is still yet to be seen but I should have it in a day or two.
 
Posts: 10190 | Location: Tooele, Ut | Registered: 27 September 2001Reply With Quote
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I am having the same problem with a #2 6.5MM barrel from them. After two months I told them I was ready to cancel it and just turn my own from SOMEONE ELSES blank. They now have promised it in 10 days. We will see. Calling there automated phone system to try to get help is a lesson in Masochism. Writing them a order and faxing it does no good because they are unable to follow written instructions. Shaw is at the end of there rope with me and I probably won't BOTHER them again
 
Posts: 154 | Location: Clio, Alabama | Registered: 17 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Sad as it is, as long as they are at the bottom rung of the pricing scale, they will have a following of guys that don't realize that spending another $50 will more than pay off in the end.... [Roll Eyes]
 
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I ordered my 470 Barrels from Pac-Nor, they said delivery time would be about 6-7 weeks, but I had them at my house within 3 weeks. [Smile]
 
Posts: 2924 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 23 December 2002Reply With Quote
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I guess my question is, why in the world would it take over a week to get a barrel from any of these guys? For no longer than it takes to make a barrel, and the ample supply of material available, I just can't believe that these guys are so busy, that they must schedule out 6-7 weeks. Then you have the rediculous delay of months that Wstnhunter experienced.

It's pretty obvious that there is still a big market for a quality barrel at reasonable prices that are delivered within an expedient time frame.

Maybe some of the experienced barrel makers that are out there could shed some light on this problem. I've got a pretty good handle on the process of button rifling, and still don't see the time that gets wrapped up into getting a barrel ordered. [Confused]
 
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002Reply With Quote
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I sense a business opportunity.

Anyone care to join up? We could even use "disadvantaged" business status to secure some easy financing.

I need some open-minded machinists that will do quality work but are open to ides to improve the work flow by reducing non-value added time to a minimum. Same goes for those running the front and back ends of the shop.
 
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I sense a business opportunity.

Anyone care to join up? We could even use "disadvantaged" business status to secure some easy financing.

You get some guys from this board to work with you, and you'll have NO problem making anybody believe that you fall under the "disadvantaged" title! [Razz] [Big Grin] [Razz]
 
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I use Hart barrels. They don't claim to be speedy and aren't. I'm not a gunsmith so time doesn't affect me money wise. To me the wait is well worth it. Those people really turn out a top notch product. I'm a big fan. Best wishes.

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Posts: 1866 | Location: Montreal, Canada | Registered: 01 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Many newcomers to rifle building are cost concious on the first project. We try to have something for everyone. We even have a do-it yourself program for people that want to do some of the work to save a couple of bucks. We have to realize that everyone cannot afford Hart, Pac-nor or other top flite barrels. In this great country people should not be denied an opportunity just because there name is not Rockefeller or Gates.
 
Posts: 154 | Location: Clio, Alabama | Registered: 17 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Last barrel I got came from Kreiger. They told me what they had in stock. I could have gotten one of those but choose to wait for an odd twist. Why not ask what they can ship now. If it does not meet you needs, call someone else. A medium contour .257 could be had from Brownells.

If you like Shaw, check on the Adams and Bennet barrels. "Adams & Bennett Rifle Barrel Blank 257 Caliber F34 Contour 1 in 10" Twist 26" Chrome Moly in the White.....$84.00" Same low quality as Shaw and you can get it from Midway, shipped today.

For what ever it is worth, I did a classic style stock, M-70 action and 26" medium counour Pac-Nor in .257 Roberts. It came out to heavy for my tastes in a little caliber. You might consiter a lighter contour barrel.

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Posts: 813 | Location: Left Coast | Registered: 02 November 2000Reply With Quote
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I called Pac Nor and needed a 9.3 barrel in a fairly heavy contour, it is for a half round half octagon project. They had it here the next week. I had the same trouble some years ago with Shaw. They gave me the run around for months and then said they were having trouble with their supply of barrels with the bore I chose. I then decided to go for a different bore and was told I would go to the back of the list because I made a change in what I wanted. After a brief heated explanation of WHY I had to change my choice they sent me a very large odd sized barrel. They must think they got the last word. The attitude is still there at Shaw even though they may have some new equipment.
 
Posts: 4917 | Location: Wenatchee, WA, USA | Registered: 17 December 2001Reply With Quote
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Frequently what happens is that a poorly run company gets into financial trouble, deposits the money customers send to them, and still don't have enough money or credit to buy the raw materials. So the order has to wait until a few more people send them money.
 
Posts: 2281 | Location: Layton, UT USA | Registered: 09 February 2001Reply With Quote
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The sad part about it is the fact that you're only talking about $12-$18.00 for material on chromoly barrels. We checked into this when we were looking at doing some 50 Cal. barrels that required 4axis machining. The round barstock was $18.00. Now, I've done a lot of machining, and I don't see where they can honestly charge you $200-$400 for a turned blank, not when Wilson can produce a 22 barrel in volume at around $12.00 total. Granted, Wilson's barrel at that price is not exactly match grade, but then again, can you justify a $200-$400 increase in price because the barrel went through a nearly identical process, only there was a little more time spent, some lapping, and some holy water ran down the bore. Unfortunately, it's what the market will bear, and boy are we. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posts: 1021 | Location: Prineville, OR 97754 | Registered: 14 July 2002Reply With Quote
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Yea, after trying some communications with Shaw and seeing that they hardly took the time to answer my questions and on top of that they spelled Ruger with an 'a'(Rugar), I decided not to even mess with this company at all!! From the sound of it, it looks like I made a good decision! Hope everthing turns out okay for you people anyway that have already ordered from this E.R.Shaw company - my sympathies!! You see, in the past I had a similar experience with McGowen Barrels and it cost me about $400.00 - and that money went down the drain because they screwed up on headspacing by barrel - can you believe that - and then they denied it! If something doesn't smell right, right off the bat I don't even mess with these guys anymore! [Big Grin]
 
Posts: 22 | Location: Catawba County // North Carolina | Registered: 28 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
If your thinking about a 257 medium contour from Shaw than be prepered for a long wait. After "8 months" of being lied to, jerked around, and given a list of excuses as long as my arm it finally came. My Smith was fit to be tied as he is the one theyve been lying to, they actually said twice that it had been shipped when in fact it hadn't.

This was my first experience with Shaw and their pitifull example of customer service alone has been enough to keep me from trying again. The end result is still yet to be seen but I should have it in a day or two.

This is the firearms business. Get used to it.
 
Posts: 18352 | Location: Salt Lake City, Utah USA | Registered: 20 April 2002Reply With Quote
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pay 40 bucks more, get a pacnor in 4 weeks... and NO hassle or lies

pretty easy...

spend 10 more and get a douglas from IT&D, and have it in 6 to 8 weeks... again, no hassle or lies

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Originally posted by 500grains:

This is the firearms business. Get used to it.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Yea, right. [Roll Eyes]
 
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