I am in need of a magnum mauser bolt stop to finish up the metal work on my 416 Rigby project. The only source that I am aware of is FZH (in Germany, I think). I've emailed them twice, but they don't seem to understand my Texas English. I tried sending them a picture of a magnum bolt stop along side a standard bolt stop, but the picture must not have went through. The magnum mauser bolt stop allows the bolt to travel 1.5mm farther to the rear than a standard bolt stop. I would rather not precariously thin out a standard bolt stop if I don't have too. Any help in communicating with them would be greatly appreciated. By the way, NECG was no help, and the only person in the U.S. that has made them that I am aware of (D'Arcy Echols) has none for sale. D'Arcy told me FZH has them, as the bolt stop that he examined on one of their magnum actions was correct.

Their website is:

http://www.fzh-gmbh.de/cms/website.php

Their email is:

info@fzh-gmbh.de

Their phone # is:

Tel. +49 6559 740 I'm sure there are more numbers to add for international calls, but I don't know what.

I would be happy to pay for any phone charges and/or service fees needed for helping me out. Thanks for your time.
Matt

I have found that any European company I have needed to deal with has someone there, (and usually more than one) who can speak good English. Unlike us Americans, who can't speak anything correctly.

ColoradoMatt,

Have you tried to use the translate function in Google? The German Google page will translate websites from German to English and allow you to order from a company site. Copy and paste the web address into your google search window, if it gives you a prompt to translate the web page click it and then navigate the site. If that doesn't work type google.de into your google window and go to the German site, some German pages have an English language function that doesn't show up from the American search page.

I just sent them an email. Will let you know what they say but it should be about Feierabend by now so probably won't hear back til Monday.

I gave it a try also. I had to dig around for the correct terminology for a bolt stop. The best I could come up with was Verschlußsperre. Kammerfang was another possibilitz.

Schlosshalter

The more common term is : Schlosshalter.

If you are not succesful let me know (by PM).Can easily help.

But: I wonder that you differ between the bolt stop for standard and magnum action.
The dimensions on my prewar magnum and any standard action are the same.

I think its kind of interesting how they drill a hole through that front recoil lug for the recoil bolt.

http://www.fzh-gmbh.de/cms/web...enbau/referenzen.htm

Looks like it is part of their take down system.

Thanks fellous!!
Matt

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Originally posted by heavenknows:
But: I wonder that you differ between the bolt stop for standard and magnum action.
The dimensions on my prewar magnum and any standard action are the same.

What round is your pre-war magnum mauser chambered for? The longer clearance bolt stop might not be needed for 3.6" max length cartridges such as the 375 H&H, and almost certainly not for the shorter 404 Jeffery. I imagine that the magnum bolt stop was designed for use with 3.75" max length rounds such as the 416 Rigby and 505 Gibbs. This is just a guess though.
Matt

Chambered for .350 Rigby.

All the magazineboxes of the magnum length actions
had the same constructed rear wall (position and wall thickness).

If you have a magnum action and a given magazine box the, boltface should stop just in line(or behind) with the the front side of the rear wall.
If that works with an ordinary bolt stop housing (and it should work) , why do you want(need) 1,5mm more as you intend.

Some standard length actions prepared for the .404 tried to gain that room by mistreating the bolt stop.
Anyway tomorrow I can tell you what FZH produces.

Statement FZH:
We produce and use the identical bolt stop for standard and magnum actions as did Mauser in Oberndorf.
No need for a different one.

In reply to my inquiry, FZH replied:
wir freuen uns über Ihr Interesse an unseren 98er Mauser Systemen, insbesondere am der Verschlusssperre.

(Thank you for your inquiry with respect to our 98 Mauser actions, especially the bolt stop.)

Die Verschlusssperre können wir Ihnen derart umbauen, dass sich das Schloss 1,5mm weiter zurücknehmen lässt.

(We can alter the bolt stop to allow the bolt to travel 1.5 mm farther to the rear.)

Dies wäre eine Sonderanfertigung für uns, Sie müssten also mindestens 20 Stück davon abnehmen.

(This would be a special order for which we require a minimum order of 20 pieces.)

Bitte informieren Sie mich, ob Sie 20 Stück abnehmen würden, dann erstellen wir Ihnen gerne ein entsprechendes Angebot.

(Please let us know if you are prepared to place an order of this size, at which point we will be happy to quote you a price.)

Did FZH ever say what they wanted for 20 custom bolt stops? I wonder if there might be enough guys on AR interested for a group buy?

CM I believe you get caught up in that idea and should reconsider the project for the following reasons.
#1.If you have a true magnum action it is unnecessary and demands further reworking of the complete rear wall of the magazine box.
Because all the aftermarket and original boxes as well are dimensioned to the standard distances on the rear side of the action openings. If you believe you need that 1,5mm more backtravel you must open up the action on the backside a n d set back the rear wall of the box. Otherwise it makes no sense.
#2. The only sense (though it´s not the right term in my mind) for that procedure is in the case you want to magnumize a standard action for the .404 Jeff. cartridge. But consider the alteration of the magazine box.
#3. In the case you can´t live without ,shorten on the front side that part of the bolt stop housing which I would name the "hook" that comes into contact with the left bolt lug.
That is exactly what FZH will do on special order boltstop.
#4.A newly manufactured boltstop will be round about 80 EUROS.

Can´t believe that you will find 20 gunnuts to go that way.
Good luck !

FZH would make an excellent part. Ralph Martini and I have talked about having a run of 20 made by FZH as well.

I have the programs written for the Magnum 98 Bolt stop and yes it was an original part. I have held as many as 3 of them in my hand at one time. We made exact repo's from these Obrendorf Bolt Stops. We have made 2 to be exact of which I used on two 505 Gibbs we made. These were made from pre-hardened chrome-moly steel. They could be made from mild steel as well for those who want to color harden the final product. These like ones made by FZH would require being fit by a competent hand as you need to remove 1.5mm of steel from inside the rear of window opening in the action.

These would be ideal for 404's, 375's etc as any additional metal left up front is a major plus when converting a Std length 98 action to a 3.500 or 3.600 OAL cartridge.

The cost for them to be made in Utah or Germany is in numbers run at one time. This makes all difference in final cost per unit and is based on the # ordered. If you want just 1 ? No problem, but it will cost $585.00. If you make a run of 25 the cost drops, 50 even more, 100 units we're at $180 per unit.

If there are enough people that want one Ralph and I could place an order with FZH or I can have them made 8 miles from me. But it has been my experience that when push comes to shove nobody really wants one when the run is complete. However I willing to do something if asked.

I can be reached at 435-755-6842 or echolslegend@comcast.net

quote:

Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
Did FZH ever say what they wanted for 20 custom bolt stops? I wonder if there might be enough guys on AR interested for a group buy?

I haven't inquired further, because I was reasonably sure that there would be no demand for that volume of bolt stops. I will be happy to be convinced otherwise, however.

Here is a photo showing the difference in the receiver cut out for standard length bolt stop and for the magnum length one. Not only does the front of the stop have to be the correct length, but the rear needs to be supported by the receiver as well



And then you can see the difference between a cut back standard length bolt stop and some true magnum ones. When you are slamming the bolt back hard with large, heavy cartridges you don't want a weaker bolt stop.

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Originally posted by DArcy_Echols_Co:

If there are enough people that want one Ralph and I could place an order with FZH or I can have them made 8 miles from me. But it has been my experience that when push comes to shove nobody really wants one when the run is complete. However I willing to do something if asked.

I can be reached at 435-755-6842 or echolslegend@comcast.net

No bull$#!tters please. If you want one, give D'Arcy a call. I recall several folks on AR said that they would buy a Mexican mauser bottom metal from Duane Wiebe if he would make them. No one bought them and Duane got burned. I don't know if D'Arcy would want money up front, but based on the above mentioned experience, that's exactly what I'd do. I can be counted on to buy one (I would happily pay up front), and I'll buy two if need be.
Matt