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Alright, so I have decided to add a muzzle break on my new rifle for a little more control after the recoil. Rifle is a Model 700 Remington Sendero 7mm mag. What would be a good one to install and also the "proper" was to install it? Also is there a brake made that i can add or remove depending on my shooting location? Say sometimes I would like to use it, but other times I would not. | ||
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I like the Shrewd from Brownells. Available in white chrome-moly and a soft stainless. Requires machining to thread the barrel and turn down to barrel diameter (if that's what you want). About sixty bucks. I have one on my 18-pound 300WSM target gun. It really does reduce the kick. I fired my rifle (once) without it, and it jumped up off the front bag by about four inches. With it on, I can shoot it all day with no trouble. I like them so much I have one on a 10/22, on two AR-15s and on my T/C Encore in .223Rem... http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...Product/MUZZLE_BRAKE   | |||
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I have shot a couple of rifles with Vais breaks and they seem to work. http://www.muzzlebrakes.com _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Are you sure it was the brake and not the 18 lbs?  _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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Oh, yeah! I unscrewed it, took the shot, got the dogsqueeze kicked out of me, screwed it back on and never did that again... | |||
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The kick does not bother me, I just want more barrel control. This is a range rifle mostly with the rare chance of long range animal shots. Its a bit too heavy for my type of hunting. Loaded this gun is over 10lbs with optics. Also the barrel is blued, but that Stainless brake would look pretty sweet on the end of the 26" barrel. | |||
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Also, those Vais brakes look to be money! Guess I need to contact them and have a discussion. I have never mailed a firearm, so im a little uneasy... | |||
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And you wouldn't have to wait around for when the 'smith has a bigger bluing job to do than just your one, little piece...
I think the best way these days is to UPS or FedEx it. From what I've read in these pages, the USPS people just don't seem to know their own regs for mailin' guns... | |||
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isn't it spelled "breaake"? | |||
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Just somethig to keep in mind...I've installed a bunch of brakes and found in some cases...usually the heavy hitters that the point of impact changes...sometimes a lot! PH's don't have too many kind words about muzzle brakes. | |||
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Breaks do not reduce recoil... They just spread it amongst your friends...attributed to Kyler Hammann Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I just mailed a Ruger #1 to Jim Kobe last week. Yes the postal worker was a little shocked till we had a pleasant chit chat. The Post office delivered it in 3 days.$36.00 shipping which included $700.00 insurance.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Those 'friends' don't see you as their friend!  A shrouded muzzle break cuts the felt recoil and the muzzle blast! I believe they are legal without a permit in some US states - maybe all? Regards 303Guy | |||
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from the peanut gallery; i have had 3 rifles ported and here is my frusterated but honest opinion, they DO reduce felt recoil by a huge amount...fact!!! i am a hunter and i removed my ear protection for a simulated shot or two so as to be sure i was ready for the noise if it were to be bothersome....WOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! three days later, i had my hearing return to a "normal" setting. the 375 AND 338wm hurt my ears so much that i began to wander if i had permanant damage. [ yes i had to try both like a fool]. the lil holes do work and if i were never to plan to use it in the field,, i wouldnt hesitate to have them re-installed...however i hunt with all my guns and the last thing i want is to damage my hearing or have to wear protection when i need to hear a bear as he is using his big canines to grind my scalp off. so there is the little bit of stupidity from the peanut gallery. ted ---------------------------------- when all is said and done...more will be said then done | |||
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I have a break like homebrewer posted on my rem 700 300 ultra mag and it greatly reduced the recoil. It is a joy to shoot now. Before I had a hard time sighting it in without flinching after about 5 shots. It is a nuisance to my buddies that are standing around me but they learn fast not to stand near me when I shoot. | |||
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It's spelled brache you doofuses!  Bob Shaffer | |||
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Brakes, while effective in reducing recoil, do increase the noise level to the shooter. This is true of all brakes regardless of advertising claims. I have heard stories of broken windshields but have not witnessed this firsthand. The brake will almost always alter the point of impact. This has little to do with diversion of gases but much to do with a change in barrel harmonics. The barrel is slightly longer now and it vibrates differently. When I install a brake and am asked to provide a thread protector for when the rifle is used sans brake, I make the thread protector so it is roughly the same weight as the brake. This helps a lot to keep POI the same. To install the brakes, I set the barrel up in the four jaw chuck just as I would to crown it. The threads should be cut with a good, sharp tool so as to minimize any possible distortion of the bore. The threads are cut so they are perfectly concentric to the bore. The brake is screwed on (tight)and the muzzle of the brake is bored to roughly .020" over bullet diameter. Then, the barrel is dialed in so the outside of the barrel (not the bore) runs true and the brake is turned down to about .003" over barrel diameter. Polishing will take it down to barrel diameter and there it is. Of course, the ideal situation, from the gunsmith's point of view, is to be able to turn brake and barrel together and polish them as a unit prior to bluing or glass beading but this entails extra work (and extra money) so is not always an option. Regards, Bill | |||
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hey HB, I guess you would not be a fan of my 338-378 Wby at 10.25 lbs without the brake installed  . It's only about 54 - 55 lbs of recoil, no problem.Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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Somehow I have a hard time believing that an 18lb 300 WSM can kick the snot out of someone, regardless of the load. Just according to the numbers that rifle would kick about like a 7.5lb 25-06 shooting a 100gr bullet (assuming the 300 WSM shooting a 180gr bullet at 3100fps). Moving on... I'd rather get kicked in the nuts than shoot a rifle with a brake. Thanks to a buddy's Browning 270 with Boss, I have a constant ringing in my left ear for about 10 years now. I can't get away from those bastards fast enough when someone shows up at the range with a braked rifle. IMO, if you can't handle the recoil, you can't handle the rifle. Either get a smaller rifle or practice more. | |||
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CAS II: Everything I wanted to say! Thanks! | |||
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Use a sissy bag! Bob Shaffer | |||
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Probably not, Ken. I don't even like to shoot a common .30-06 Model 700 without something to absorb the recoil. I shoot for fun-- not to "feel the burn." | |||
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Ask the gunsmith to re-stamp the caliber on the barrel to ".458 Lott" - so people won't tease you. ............................................. | |||
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why are you guys using threaded brakes, westpac makes one hell of an integral brake, its machined into the barrel, he can alter just how much brake you want, just a little or dang near pulling the gun forward when it fires, he says you even pick up a few fps as well. in times when one needs a rifle, he tends to need it very badly.....PHC | |||
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The only thing worse than a threaded brake has to be an integral brake...can't ever get rid of the damn thing...Hell...shoot a smaller gun! | |||
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When the barrel gets chewed up from the heavy amount of shooting I plan on doing I will make it more than a "stamp"...Im thinking it will say something like 500 MAX. | |||
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getting rid of it is a cut and crown away, if you don't know if you are gonna like it have the barrel a little longer so that is an option down the road, personally I say tuffen up put on a simms limbsaver and shoot without a brake in times when one needs a rifle, he tends to need it very badly.....PHC | |||
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Gentlemen, I had planned to be at the Hoot-n-Shoot tomorrow in Houston. A deal fell through, so I will not be there. I have a seven pound T/C break open single shot with a 24" barrel in 30-378 Wbee I was going to take along with a couple boxes of ammunition and see if I got any takers to shoot it. With or without brake. Rich | |||
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I have installed many breaks, probably over 100. I use the Harrell brothers breaks unless the customer wants something else. I use breaks on my own guns, but never for hunting, too hard on friends and PH's. When varmit shooting where I, and everyone else, can wear ear protection, I use the break. Kenny Jarrett puts them on most of his rifles (Harrell Brothers). He says that they improve accuracy and I agree with him. They strip away the escaping gases so they have less affect on the bullet as it leaves the muzzle. Practice with the break, site in with the thread protector, then go hunting. Recoil causes flinching and pain on the bench, no one feels recoil when hunting. Practice is the most important thing you can do to become a good shot and hunter. The break makes it pleasent and fun, well worth the cost. The best break? They are pretty much all the same. None, to my knowledge, really reduce recoil without increasing muzzle blast.....Tom SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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