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Guys I have come across a very interesting little pistol, Dreyse Vest Pocket 25 acp and need to replace the recoil spring and firing pin spring. I cannot find any at all on the internet. How do I go about having them made,what specs etc do I request from the guy making the springs?

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If you have any idea of the specs/dimensions of the spring Wolff may be able to make one.
 
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I make them myself by using piano wire, which I have in many sizes. I determine what diameter of wire I need and what internal diameter I need. I use punches or drill rod of a slightly smaller diameter, chucked in my lathe to wrap the spring using the slowest speed on my lathe to evenly wrap the spring. I’ve done this for years to make pretty much any small coil spring I need.

Saying all that, I also have on hand a “Gunsmith” spring assortment from Wolff Springs. Most of the time I can find what I need in there.


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Thanks guys. I have the original springs but they look very tired. I will contact Wolff springs and see what they can do.
Thanks again for the good advice
 
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https://www.gunsprings.com/SPANISH/cID1/mID59/dID266

one from this pak should do the job.
 
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I make them myself by using piano wire, which I have in many sizes. I determine what diameter of wire I need and what internal diameter I need. I use punches or drill rod of a slightly smaller diameter, chucked in my lathe to wrap the spring using the slowest speed on my lathe to evenly wrap the spring. I’ve done this for years to make pretty much any small coil spring I need.

Saying all that, I also have on hand a “Gunsmith” spring assortment from Wolff Springs. Most of the time I can find what I need in there.


A question, is guitar string material in the same class as piano wire?


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I have owned a Dreyse .25 for years. They are very well made and very reliable .25 autos. Comparing the springs with my Colt .25 they are identical. The recoil spring on the Dreyse is 24 turns of .030 wire, .275 o.d. with an oal of 3" (original spring). The striker spring is .173 o.d., .022 wire, 1.7" oal. The Colt has new Wolff springs (very stiff!). The recoil spring is 24t of .030 wire, .273 od, oal 3.35". The Colt striker spring is .171" o.d., .020 wire, 1.9" oal.
So I would guess the Colt springs would work, but as I said the Wolff springs are stiff. The Colt magazine also fits the Dreyse. Unless the old springs are really crunched I would keep using them. I have a Colt 1st year production with original springs and it works just fine.
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Guitar strings would only be suitable for very light springs. And I have never made springs from piano wire; use real spring wire of the diameter you need. My local hardware store has it but most don't.
But as stated above you should be able to find one that will work, already made.
 
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I have springs in service I made with piano wire 15 years ago and they’re still working so I guess I’ll keep using it until it’s all used up. Does anyone know if “spring wire” is a different formulation or a different name?


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Piano wire/Music Wire is high carbon cold drawn wire. Usually, it is 1070-1075 high carbon steel. Suitable for general spring making. It is a specific type of spring wire made to an ASTM spec.

Spring wire is also available in different steel grades, including 1075, for different applications. There are high chrome/silicon flavors and high moly flavors, stainless flavors, etc.

So, they could be the same thing, or not. Most hardware stores will carry simple spring wire that would be the same thing as piano wire. Hardware stores usually don't stock exotic wire products for things like high temperature service valve springs.

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Thank You ! Very helpful info.
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Originally posted by cgbach:
I have owned a Dreyse .25 for years. They are very well made and very reliable .25 autos. Comparing the springs with my Colt .25 they are identical. The recoil spring on the Dreyse is 24 turns of .030 wire, .275 o.d. with an oal of 3" (original spring). The striker spring is .173 o.d., .022 wire, 1.7" oal. The Colt has new Wolff springs (very stiff!). The recoil spring is 24t of .030 wire, .273 od, oal 3.35". The Colt striker spring is .171" o.d., .020 wire, 1.9" oal.
So I would guess the Colt springs would work, but as I said the Wolff springs are stiff. The Colt magazine also fits the Dreyse. Unless the old springs are really crunched I would keep using them. I have a Colt 1st year production with original springs and it works just fine.
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Based on your post are the spings in service failing or do you think they just look tired..Id shoot it first and see..those springs usually last a couple of lifetimes in most pistols anyway..My motto is don't fix something that ain't broke, it can lead to nightmares in gunsmithing.. rotflmo


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I think they look tired but they do indeed work Big Grin
 
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A buddy of mine has a company called Springo USA. He is local here but sells through Brownell's + others as well as having contracts with Uncle sugar. I'm sure Alan could do what you need + you would not have to order a GROSS. I'm sure you can find him online. Hope this helps.


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I had to replace the self-opener coil spring on my Fusil Robust Model 28E. I looked in the internet for a local spring maker.

Called him up, went down with the gun showed him what it needed to do and he measured the spring and made a new one that I collected two days later.

Any good spring maker can do this. He also gave me some spring wire and I made my own torsion spring to replace a lost one from a Dillon cartridge counter.

Even if they've never handled a gun, seen a gun, don't even know how a gun works if they can see it on the day these guys will quickly work out what's needed...it's their skillset.
 
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K&S metals sells music wire suitable for springs in any size you might need. 36" lengths range from 0.015" to 9/32". Hobby shops and ACE hardware carries it.

Winding a spring on a lathe is easy. Wear gloves and eye protection. Finding the correct mandrill size will be trial and error. I normally close wind it then stretch to the correct spacing for strong springs. For tube magazine springs I space like doing threads.
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