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Getting a CZ Lott to feed (Do It Yourself) Instructions Needed
28 May 2008, 17:27
shootawayGetting a CZ Lott to feed (Do It Yourself) Instructions Needed
Has anyone done this?
I did it myself by sending my Lott to Dennis Olson. Worked like a charm.
The only easy day is yesterday!
29 May 2008, 10:47
shootawayThere is no Dennis Olson around here.Besides, I do not want to wait months or years to have it fixed.
29 May 2008, 17:45
Toomany ToolsTruly not something that can be done by following step-by-step instructions. There's a lot of intuition involved and requires observations.
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29 May 2008, 18:05
shootawayI am prepared to ruin an action.I just want a little guidance as to where the problem lies and what is usually done.I am not looking for a detailed explanation although I wouldn't mind one.I like the rifle except for the feeding problem which breaks my nerves.
Shootaway- If this is something you just want to do on your own then I'm all over that. I'm booked for a dangerous game hunt and wanted someone to go over my rifle befor I go. Dennis is as good as they come and he did several things to my gun. He made it feed like a dream and with Cup-Point solids. From the time I sent the rifle back it was back in my hands within the month. And I was shocked at the price being low with all the things Dennis did.
Making a rifle feed is an art and I would think it would take a lot of work and practice to do it correctly. Don't ruin your action on your Lott to see if you can do it. Buy a cheap rifle and change it to something that will require feeding work. To have a good smith make your rifle feed is just not that expensive.
Good luck!
The only easy day is yesterday!
29 May 2008, 19:09
new_guyIt's not as easy for shootaway to get his rifle from Canada to the US for feeding work.
However, he's got two of the best gunmakers on the planet with Martini and Hagn in Canada.
shootaway - With a dremel in hand, it's not too difficult to ruin your action... I would give M&H a call and see how quickly they could turn it around.
29 May 2008, 19:35
shootawayIt's been a year and I am still waiting for the one I sent them.
29 May 2008, 20:22
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by Pegleg:
Shootaway- If this is something you just want to do on your own then I'm all over that. I'm booked for a dangerous game hunt and wanted someone to go over my rifle befor I go. Dennis is as good as they come and he did several things to my gun. He made it feed like a dream and with Cup-Point solids. From the time I sent the rifle back it was back in my hands within the month. And I was shocked at the price being low with all the things Dennis did.
Making a rifle feed is an art and I would think it would take a lot of work and practice to do it correctly. Don't ruin your action on your Lott to see if you can do it. Buy a cheap rifle and change it to something that will require feeding work. To have a good smith make your rifle feed is just not that expensive.
Good luck!
Thanks Pegleg. Do you have contact info?
29 May 2008, 20:22
The MetalsmithSo here's a question as far as you wanting it to feed correctly...What is it doing? Is it skipping over the cartridge in the magazine, not bringing the catridge to the chamber straight or what is it?
As far as making it feed correctly, I would highly advise against this practice. Most likely you'd either make the problem worse, or it may make it ever so slightly better, but not by any large degree. Who knows what the feeding problem is and what it entails to get fixed.
"Molotov Cocktails don't leave fingerprints"
-Dr. Ski
29 May 2008, 20:26
shootawayIt's picking up the round fine but not feeding it into the chamber.It is guiding it into the rim of the chamber instead.I have a hunt schuduled for August and would rather go with my Lott instead of my Win mag.To go with a Lott I need to get a new one that feeds or rebarrel the one I have before the hunt.
29 May 2008, 20:37
The MetalsmithThan the problem of getting to feed is going to be out of your hands, sorry to say. I'd suggest giving it to a qualified gunsmith.
"Molotov Cocktails don't leave fingerprints"
-Dr. Ski
30 May 2008, 12:58
Demonical I have a CZ-550. When I bought it, it was chambered for .458WinMag and fed like shit. I had read that the conversion to .458 Lott improves the feeding, besides it is a better cartridge, so I went ahead and had mine re-chambered.
With my particular rifle, the feeding did improve after the Lott conversion. I now have no issues.
One thing I have read is that is you load up some dummy cartridges, without powder or primers, and fill the magazine, then cycle them through the action over and over and over, it will smooth things up.
I think if it was me, given your time constraints, I would try to get the rifle to a gunsmith ASAP and hope you can get help.
Good luck, hope you get it sorted out.
05 June 2008, 01:28
shootawayI solved the feeding problem with my credit card.Got a Ruger Lott and it feeds great.Seems to be a better rifle too.[URL=
]Ruger Lott[/URL] I now have a rifle that feeds in the caliber of my choice to take to Africa.
05 June 2008, 02:01
WestpacIt's hard to tell from here, but is that a Ruger or a Les Paul?
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05 June 2008, 02:21
adrookquote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
I solved the feeding problem with my credit card.Got a Ruger Lott and it feeds great.Seems to be a better rifle too.[URL=
]Ruger Lott[/URL] I now have a rifle that feeds in the caliber of my choice to take to Africa.
Milwaukee's Best?
Do you guys really drink that shit up there?
Cheers,
Andy
05 June 2008, 02:46
WestpacI was too busy trying to figure out what chord he was playing to noitice the beer furniture. Nice couch!
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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.
05 June 2008, 03:25
BulldogMasterYou get what you pay for. The CZ is known for the problems you are having. Is is easily the cheapest and poorest quality rifle on the market right now. Save yourself some grief and doubts - buy something that works out of the box.
05 June 2008, 03:28
Demonicalquote:
Originally posted by BulldogMaster:
You get what you pay for. The CZ is known for the problems you are having. Is is easily the cheapest and poorest quality rifle on the market right now. Save yourself some grief and doubts - buy something that works out of the box.
05 June 2008, 03:51
Don Markeyquote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
It's hard to tell from here, but is that a Ruger or a Les Paul?
Can't tell either, I was just wondering what so much milwaukee's best is doing there in canada?
-Don
05 June 2008, 05:09
jeffeossois this the same lott he shot the lands out of, and now it wouldn't hit paper?
just wondering why he's worried about feeding it when it won't hit a target...
05 June 2008, 06:48
djpaintlesquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
is this the same lott he shot the lands out of, and now it wouldn't hit paper?
just wondering why he's worried about feeding it when it won't hit a target...
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05 June 2008, 08:05
Charles_HelmGee, the picture disappeared.
05 June 2008, 13:35
shootawayAlthough I will be sending the CZ out to Dennis Olson for feeding and rebarelling,I tried something the other day that had some results.I think the problem comes from the very large magazine and week spring.The rds in the magazine seem to dip forward in the mag instead of just up and down.When this happens the head is at an odd angle to the pushing bolt face and this sends the round too high or wide.What I did was cut a piece of metal and stuck it with loctite against the rear of the mag elimimating the forward diving of the rds when in the mag.This seemed to work but there was still the problem of the week spring.I now have two thicker springs on order and will get another piece of steel glued to the front of the mag instead of the rear which interferes with the follower.
05 June 2008, 19:44
The MetalsmithBulldogMaster,
Easily the worst deal out on the market right now? I beg to differ. Have you played with one of them Remington 798's yet? Or better yet one of those Mossberg ATR's?
CZ's are a pretty damn good working base for a good rifle, and they're a pretty good value as far as what you are getting. It should be common knowledge that if you pay a CZ price you're not going to get a Purdey or H&H.
Jeffeosso-Remember, it's still in the works to become a .458 Lott cased shotgun. It needs to feed correctly for vicious rabbits.
Shootaway, you just bought a RSM make sure to do a search on this website to find out what the others are doing to improve on them.
"Molotov Cocktails don't leave fingerprints"
-Dr. Ski
05 June 2008, 21:39
shootawayMetalsmith,people will change any rifle.While cleaning the bore,I noticed that it's mirror like smooth.
05 June 2008, 21:39
Demonicalquote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
Although I will be sending the CZ out to Dennis Olson for feeding and rebarelling,I tried something the other day that had some results.I think the problem comes from the very large magazine and week spring.The rds in the magazine seem to dip forward in the mag instead of just up and down.When this happens the head is at an odd angle to the pushing bolt face and this sends the round too high or wide.What I did was cut a piece of metal and stuck it with loctite against the rear of the mag elimimating the forward diving of the rds when in the mag.This seemed to work but there was still the problem of the week spring.I now have two thicker springs on order and will get another piece of steel glued to the front of the mag instead of the rear which interferes with the follower.
Shootaway, FYI I initially replaced the stock CZ spring with a stiffer spring and that made the feeding worse (this was before converting to .458 Lott).
After getting it re-chambered to Lott I kept trying the stiffer spring and the feeding was crap. As soon as I went back to the "mushy" feeling CZ spring, the feeding immediately improved; it was my gunsmith that told me to trust the CZ spring.
FWIW, that spring only feels weak because it has 4, .458 Lott cartridges on it! That's quite a bit for that spring and really it handles it no problem.
So just to caution you that a stiffer spring may not help and can even make the problem worse...
06 June 2008, 00:24
shootawayDemonical,my first CZ was a 458WM and I thought that getting a CZ Lott would solve the feeding problem.It didn't.It was worst.After speaking with my smith I focused my attention on the magazine and not on the feeding ramp.He told me that the rounds would not feed because the action was to big and the rds moved around to much.Also, a spacer was needed to solve the problem. Acting on this info,I tried the experiment described above and found that there was a big improvement.If I placed the spacer in the front of the mag instead of the rear it may not have obstructed the follower and spring and feed great.
06 June 2008, 18:28
shootaway[URL=
]Ruger Lott[/URL]
07 June 2008, 02:12
shootawayI just got off the phone with Ralf Martini and told that my 458WM is in the mail.The action was polished entirely and the whole rifle was reblued.He says it will feed ANYTHING.The trigger was changed and a barrel band was also installed so was a new bolt handle.He says he will send me the original bolt handle to compare.Can't wait.I will post pics.There was alot of work involved.
