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Is a Remington action suitable to build a 338 Lapua?
 
Posts: 41 | Location: west virginia | Registered: 30 July 2003Reply With Quote
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No...the case head on a Lapua is .588 and the largest case head I believe you can get into a Remington bolt face is .573 (which is what the lazzeroni's case has).

Additionally while you could lengthen the mag box I believe a 68 mm case is consider to be about the longest case that you can work through a standard long action and the Lapua is about 69mm.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Posts: 41 | Location: west virginia | Registered: 30 July 2003Reply With Quote
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Remington build some 338's for evaluation for a military contract as I recall.

Here's an article from Dan Lilja talking about using the 700 action for 378 Weatherby based cases..... .

http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/custom_actions/378_weatherby_remington_700_action.htm
 
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Kimber,

You are pushing your luck cramming a Lazzeroni into the remington action...consider a savage action given Lazzeroni already sell prebuilt guns that way.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10181 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With Quote
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What's your ballistic goal, bullet weight/ muzzle speed? There's not a whole lot from 250g down that the RUM won't do. I was surprised myself when I saw how much usuable powder difference there was between it and the Lapua, especially when confined to 3.66" COL. And there are improved versions which will give you a bit more push if you like, and you can always lengthen the barrel. If you insist on shooting 300g SMK, I'd imagine it doesn't need to repeat, so just have your 30" tube throated to accept them so and seat them out to 4" COL. (Yes, I'm serious.) I'd put a couple dollars on it reaching 2950 fps. You're not likely to ever get satisfactory results from an all-around rig shooting 1000 yards, anyway.
 
Posts: 2000 | Location: Beaverton OR | Registered: 19 December 2002Reply With Quote
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What would worry me with a Rem 700 done for the Lapua/Rigby/378 case is the metal on the counterbore would be so thing you would want to make sure you did not drop the bolt or get an overload.

A CRF with the same bolt diameter is different because the piece of metal sticking out from the bolt is only shallow.....and a Bwana-be said the 338 Ultra is about the same case capacity.

Mike
 
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We went through this about 2 years ago when my brother was deciding on the Lapua or the 338 RUM.

He decided to go with the RUM, The cartridges are so similar and EVERYTHING is either cheaper or more obtainable with the RUM. He used a SS 700 action in an Accuracy International stock, which was set up for the Lapua so I know that somehow the lapua works in a 700 action if your heart is really set on it.


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Is a Remington action suitable to build a 338 Lapua?


I could be wrong on this, but I think that by the time you have your version of the .338 Lapua in your hands you should have spent around $3,000.

If i wanted such a rifle, I would seriously consider a Dakota LongBow. Yes, it would cost nearly $5,000, but not further work would be required. Besides, it would have one of the best actions around, with the stock to match it.
 
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I have a Lapua now. My goal is to get the bolt on the correct side. Yes, the left one.
 
Posts: 41 | Location: west virginia | Registered: 30 July 2003Reply With Quote
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What action is it on? You know, those Sakos look like a good deal. They come in Lapua or 338-378 or something like that. I think they have southpaw versions, no? It's the TRG-S, but with numbers instead of letters. Can't recall.
 
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It's called the 995. I don't know if it comes in a southpaw version, I have a RH one in 338 Lapua, pretty good rifle. - dan


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Celt at HD Rifles builds 338 Lapuas on Rem actions. He builds as lot of super accuracy rifles. I haven't head of a problem with them and giving that he builds them for various law enforcement agencies - I would not worry one bit about one built by him.

The one I saw had the big Sako extractor and a neat dual ejector set up - said it tosses the cases clear and solves the problem of the case comming up, hitting the scope and falling back down into the action.

FWIW.
 
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Originally posted by kimber222:
Is a Remington action suitable to build a 338 Lapua?


I could be wrong on this, but I think that by the time you have your version of the .338 Lapua in your hands you should have spent around $3,000.

If i wanted such a rifle, I would seriously consider a Dakota LongBow. Yes, it would cost nearly $5,000, but not further work would be required. Besides, it would have one of the best actions around, with the stock to match it.


Or simply go for the 338 RUM!!
Does the same thing!! Wink


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Bwana-be, I am going to have a 338 Lapua done up on a ruger #1,going with a 30" bbl,going to have pacnor do the work.My intentions for this were to shoot the 300 gr MK's.If I tell them I want the bbl thraoted to accept the 300's will thay know what I am talking about??? Will I need to furnish them with a dummy round???
 
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I have one of the sako rifles in 338 lapua mag-- trgs. Good caliber, I guess. It will sure kill a white tail doe. Make sure you get the quick twist for the ruger. Most of the hunting barrels are designed for the 250 grain round and don't like the 300 weight pills. Being a fool, I stick with the barnes 165 grain x-bullets and palm full of reloader 22. Also makes a good proximity round for ground hogs.
 
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Robert, to answer your Q, absolutely send a dummy. Even if they have a case and bullet they won't necessarily get that you're not confined to SAAMI COL. Get three cases, seat them just to the base of the neck with your 300g and send them along. You're looking at about 4" from what I understand.
[seems someone had a #1 338 LM for sale last year, synth stock, long bbl.]
 
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You might check with Montana Rifle Co, I've heard that they are putting it in there action now
 
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