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Rebarreling a 91 Mosin Nagant
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I have a re barreling job in the shop and was wondering how you guys machine the extractor clearance on the breach face. This is more complicated than a typical Winchester 70 or small ring Mauser extractor slot as the extractor rotates with the bolt. Any ideas would be appreciated as I'm stumped.
 
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I have done this exactly twice, so for what it's worth....

I attached an angle plate to the bed of a vertical mill and then attached a rotary table to the angle plate. I could then suspend the barrel muzzle down through the rotary table. I used an end mill to cut the breech cut, turning the rotary table by hand to get the cut made. I had to move the head of my mill out to reach the barrel breech as well.

I won't take on any more of these jobs!

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Done many of them; no fancy set up; use a Woodruff cutter, two setups in a plain vise. If you look at some 91 and 91-30 barrels there are more than one configuration of cut.
 
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Done many of them; no fancy set up; use a Woodruff cutter, two setups in a plain vise. If you look at some 91 and 91-30 barrels there are more than one configuration of cut.


Did one and it was a pain. Can you show a picture or sketch of your setup?
 
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Not a pain at all; just look at an original and copy that. Next time I do one I will take a picture.
 
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DPCD knows of what he speaks. These groups are of different bullets and loads of a Mosin he re-chambered and modified the bolt face to 9,3x62







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Thanks, for your comments gentlemen. I have a rotary table but it does not have a through hole so that is out. My index head will not pass the barrel through it so that is out. I take it that just cutting the slot multiple times as you turn the barrel a couple of times works? I'll try that on a practice piece.
 
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Turn it once, using a Woodruff cutter. You need to look at an original; there are two steps in it and the second one is the one that is radiuses; hence the use of the woodruff cutter, or ball end mill works too. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Not that I have ever skinned one.
You realize that there are two types of Mosin receivers; in 43 or so they eliminated the inner shoulder like Mausers have. Not germane here though.
Look at those groups; MD fired them from a 91 Mosin that I made into a 9.3x62; took a lot of mods to the bolt face, magazine, and receiver.
But it shoots fairly well, I'd say even if I didn't make it.
 
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