I’m finding that locating a Sporter stock for a Carcano is near impossible and am wondering how close the 91 Argentine action inletting is to a Carcano action. I’ve got the 91 Argentine already and have a M38 Carcano on the way to my FFL.

I know they aren’t the same, but wonder if a 91 Argentine stock can be modified for the Carcano.

Some comparative data: The only thing I see is that the guard screw spacing is shorter on the Mauser; the screw is at the very front of the receiver ring on the Carcano; otherwise they are very similar. So you would have to inlet for the longer trigger guard front tang on the Carcano; an easy job. And the recoil lug (a very small one) is at the front of the receiver on the Carcano so you would cut another slot for it and then fill in the old one that was cut for the Mauser.
And the Carcano receiver ring is .035 bigger.

Thanks Tom, excellent info. Would be a very doable project, considering the alternatives.

Hold on, hold on....

Send me an email.

I am quite certain I have a Carcano sporter stock that I will gladly sell you.

Your email will serve to remind me to look for it.

Richard's Microfit, maybe ?

Glass bedding is your friend.

I looked at Richards and they don't make one.
Maybe NM is the answer....

Richards Microfit
https://richardsmicrofitgunstocks.com/makes/

Email sent to Nathaniel.

Surely there must be someone in the US with a Carcano pattern?

Occasionally down under up pops someone who gets to thinking they can build a rat-rod poor mans version of the (sometimes wonderful) sporterised versions of the M1893 Mannlicher. Fair enough, too. Perhaps not so much in the US?

I ran a machined stock business for long enough to have done 5, maybe 6 Carcano patterns - which is a heck of a lot of labour. As a business model, it's always going to be a loss developing good patterns for an action like a Carcano down here because the market just isn't big enough to justify doing it for actions like the Carcano. Maybe the bigger population in the US might justify it.

My old mentor, Geoff Slee also made a Carcano pattern which I used to own. I never copied it. I found the grip really not to my liking, and like nearly all of Geoff's stocks had so little drop as to be near unusable with open sights. Geoff generated that pattern by transposing the Carcano inlet into his "English Classic" shape, which is a much quicker/cheaper/easier way of generating the pattern or job, but there are consequences to that. The first consequence is that you really need to me a metrology master to get the alignment perfect. In my experience not many duplicator owners know their way around a toolroom or have the metrology skills to do that with repeatable accuracy. The second consequence is that it is very likely the relationships between the trigger, tangs, action depth, bolt notch etc etc don't suit the outside shape ideally - some far worse that others. The Carcano is an extreme example of that case, and that is why I made my patterns from the block.

The Carcano action was, in my opinion, NOT designed with trigger/tang dimensions that made for a nice sporting stock. I found it a tough gig getting the best out of them, but I learned a lot from messing with the bastards and I'll say it's possible to build quite a nice stock for them.

Give me the M93 anyday, though. I reckon a '93 is worth a good stocker doing a proper custom job on today, just the same as back in the day. In my opinion, a Carcano is not.

As I said above, Richards does not make stocks for the Carcano. Not that I saw on their list anyway.
As for a custom made stock; It will all depend on how much the customer wants to pay for one for an Italian Carcano.
Boyds stocks are $141.
Let's see; make a pattern, buy a blank, turn it, inlet and finish it; you are looking at $1995 for plain wood.
Market? The market up here for Carcano shorter stocks is, right at zero. I'd say, exactly one demand above that, per year or 5.
It all rests on NM.

Would a Mosin-Nagant stock work with mods? At least contact Richard's Microfit and see if they would do a one-off if you sent in a military stock for the action inlet.

No, the tang area is totally different. I already checked the mosin.
Will they copy your inletting? I have never asked them that, but I have got shaped but not inletted. Many of their stocks are now CNC inletted and are 99% drop in; they are really far better than the old pantograph. Which they do still use for some models. Maybe they could leave out the tang inletting.
The OP wants a sporter shape stock; not a military one. So the Childers ones, they are military. We have talked about options several times.

I meant a Mosin sporter stock. For some reason I seem to recall that Richards had a Carcano semi-inlet at one time. Maybe they still have the pattern. I would think the Carcano would work well with a thumbhole style - to keep the hand closer to the bolt handle.

I know; you aren't the one who listed the military stocks. Again, the Mosin tang is totally different and bigger.

If you look under wildcats.
Yumastepside made up a sporter stock with bondo, and had it copied. Lots of pictures. He did a nice job.
I have a Jeff Slee mauser, classic stock. I like the lines he had on his patterns.

I have a Carcano M41 in 6.5 that I was given for free. The original military stock has been chopped up.
I own Haenel Mannlichers, MS's and a George Gibbs 1893 Steyr. The Carcano action doesn't come close To any of those actions but I want to try my hand at making a nice light stalking rifle just for shits and giggles.
I have not found any US stock manufacturers that make a sporter stock for the Carcano. I have pretty much concluded that I will probably need to make one from scratch.
I'll be following this thread for any ideas that might be helpful with my project.

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Originally posted by theback40:
If you look under wildcats.
Yumastepside made up a sporter stock with bondo, and had it copied. Lots of pictures. He did a nice job.
I have a Jeff Slee mauser, classic stock. I like the lines he had on his patterns.

I think Yuma has shown a practical solution that can get someone with some drive and hand skills close to home. Tasmanians are the hardest folk on earth to cut a stock for, because they've got two heads as all Aussies well know.

In the 80s and 90s, I reckon a handful of Australian makers lead the way in making sleek, very traditional "British" looking stalking rifle stocks that also combined the (then) almost universally accepted American ethos on drop-at-heel. Perhaps Geoff was the first in Oz, perhaps not - but he was certainly the most prolific and by far. His two "English Classic" outside shapes worked best with a 98, well with Sako, Howa, BRNO, okay with a M70 and Lee Enfield and not too well with actions like the Carcano, Arisaka etc. Unless you have a very short neck and high cheek bones, most adult male shooters won't see open sights too well unless they (edit - meaning the sights not the shooter) are very high (which is a modern trend, for that reason). Geoff also had an affinity for fine walnut like no other stocker I've known. He REALLY knew good walnut, had a deep knowledge of British makers, and didn't need to quote the BS lore from mags.

On the subject of odd-ball patterns, I've recently been looking at the master for his Croc Dundee rifle and an amazingly WILD blank we cut together around 20 years ago, which screams such a job and not much else. I might have one more thumbhole left in me if I can find a good donor action. Sometimes you can take a gagworthy idea and make it work pretty well. Not much could be more gagworthy to me than a Lee Enfield thumbhole, but mebbe the bastard might prove nifty after all. Breaks the monotony....

Juglansregia,
All us guys have two heads.
Or are you saying Tasmanian women have two heads too? Part of the transgender movement! Say it isnt so!!!

It's not a matter of making a pattern; from Tasmania (devils?), or anywhere else. I can have a pattern in 30 minutes. Maybe one hour.
But I don't think it is necessary and the OP's original idea of using a 91 Argentine, will work.