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What would you build on this action?
25 December 2007, 08:35
ForrestBWhat would you build on this action?
My kids are in bed dreaming of Christmas toys. I'll be dreaming about rifles to build on this action...and it's not even mine...yet.
What would you build on this action?
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25 December 2007, 08:40
ElCaballero275 Rigby.
25 December 2007, 08:42
Woodjack.338/06.
25 December 2007, 08:42
dempseySend it my way and let me think on it a bit.
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25 December 2007, 08:49
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by ElCaballero:
275 Rigby.
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25 December 2007, 08:51
gunmakerMerry Christmas Forrest
I'd have to say something like a 9.3x62.
25 December 2007, 09:06
z1rquote:
Originally posted by gunmaker:
Merry Christmas Forrest
I'd have to say something like a 9.3x62.
That or the 10,75x68. I already have enough 9,3x62's in the works, lol.
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25 December 2007, 09:08
TMGForrest,
I would do something classic Mauser but unusual - a 9.3x57, 8x60, or 10.75x68
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25 December 2007, 09:17
ForrestBMaybe something like this...
That bolt handle is a disaster and the barrel is a bit long, but I'd love a 9.3X62 that is somewhat like this.
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25 December 2007, 09:27
Fjoldquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
That bolt handle is a disaster and the barrel is a bit long, but I'd love a 9.3X62 that is somewhat like this.
Forrest, you are the master of the understatement.
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25 December 2007, 10:04
gunmakerI bet I know where to find a few really sweet manlicher blanks. Gotta get some whittling time out of them though.
25 December 2007, 11:21
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25 December 2007, 11:27
WestpacLet it be a surprise and send it here. There's a good chance you won't recognize it when it's done.
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25 December 2007, 14:43
J.Beagle.275 Rigby, 7x57, 7mm Mauser, all the same, would be a good cartridge if you wanted a small bore.
But, I would build a .404 Jeffery (10.75 x 73) on it. Jeffery introduced the .404 in about 1910, which I think would be perfect for that action. The 416 Rigby in 1911. The H&H came in 1912. I am not sure about the 425 WR. All of these cartridges where invented to use in the M98 style action of the time.
A exhibition grade piece of english walnut with the classic English cheek piece and lines along with a leather recoil pad. I would get Dan Pederson to make an all integral barrel.
Whatever you do please keep it classic to the period of the time. The 338-06 is a great cartridge, so is some of the other more modern cartridges. It just isn't right to put a Remchester cartridge in a classic action.
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25 December 2007, 16:15
Marc_StokeldForrest-
Do you have any other pics of that long Mannlicher? Looks like it has H&H mounts on it. I asked about them on this forum a couple of months ago am pretty much talked out of making them. BUT...it would be cool to look at soem detailed shots of them on a rifle if you ahve any more pices.
As for what to build, here is an idea for you to chew on:
Send the action to a gunmaker who is most in tune with what you do and don't like, what you hunt, what your personality is, etc. Give only the bare neccesities of instrucitons (if he really knows you, then he already knows what NOT to do) and a sorta firm "not to exceed" price. Ideally, just give him the budget nomber and nothing else. Mail it to him and say just make me something pretty.
I have posted my feelings on art and emotion on this board before. Custom guns are funcitonal art, and art evokes an emotion. For that reason, I feel that a gun worked on by the fewest number of people possible will have the the most emotional impact. That is because when various makers have to explain things to the next artisan, something is always lost in translation. There are also unavoidable emotional losses when the client communicates instructions with the lead maker on a product. It is impossible for two people to feel the same emotion, so the fewer people the better.
I know you have a lot of cutom guns, so this may be a different and exciting way to get a really great rifle. I say that because every artist I know really creates for themselves. True, a client commisions work, but the makers are still creating for their own benefit. If you ask an artist if they feel their best work comes from working to exact specifications or working on a personal project, I think 100% of them would say it is best when working to their own desires. For one thing, there is nothing to be lost in translation, as their inner voice is the one calling the shots. Also, they will be more passionate about creating something strictly to their desires and ideas.
Just something for you to think about. The main thing is be sure to post pics of the rifle after it is complete. I love seeing pictures of your guns!!!
25 December 2007, 17:46
22WRFForrest
Who built the Rifle pictured?
Also, it would be a shame to drill through or buff out those Oberndorf markings. So, for a caliber, I would suggest whatever caliber you need (but do not already have) to hunt whatever it is you would (will) hunt with open sights like cape buffalo, elephant, or brown bear in the big stuff, or whatever you don't already have in a smaller caliber for dense woods hunting of elk or deer or pigs, etc.
looking forward to seeing the stick of wood you choose for it.
25 December 2007, 18:14
D HumbargerForrest I would opt for a 6.5x57.
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25 December 2007, 18:51
KurtCI don't believe in putting the cart before the horse, so any cartridge available in 1910 would be outstanding.
(Frankly, if they stopped inventing cartridges in 1910, we would still be having no problem taking the world's game).
You can't ruin that receiver ring, so your options are:
Iron Sights
Side Mount
Front ring on the barrel
If the charging hump is still intact, you will probably not want to ruin that as well.
25 December 2007, 18:53
jeffeosso9,3x64 or 10.75x68.. with a quarterrib.
then make the rear bridge and back of the quarter rib the scope bases....
bolt handle is always users choice...
$300 piece of qsawn turkish .. or 800, or 1200, just perfect grain
an oberndorf 1910 WILL require heat treat
this morning, i would do a type A clone, in 10,75 with a a stepped barrel and qrib ... clean, trim, traditional, and light
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25 December 2007, 19:31
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25 December 2007, 19:53
rem721quote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
Maybe something like this...
That bolt handle is a disaster and the barrel is a bit long, but I'd love a 9.3X62 that is somewhat like this.
Something like this but without the quarter rib and with a longer barrel, same length stock, like the african specials. 9.3x62 or larger.
25 December 2007, 19:57
bwanamrmWhat would you build? Russell's '08 Christmas present Forrest! That one is easy... I'll even let you pick the caliber!
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25 December 2007, 20:34
MKane160.30-06. A timeless American classic....
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25 December 2007, 20:48
Michael RobinsonI would build a .404 in the Jeffery style, with a classic British stock and an island mounted five leaved rear sight.
That baby is so pretty, I might even send it to London for proofing!
As KurtC says, you don't want to put a scope mount on that receiver ring. I will add that neither should those holy runes be covered in any way.
No scope for that one.
So just go with an iron sighted heavy medium bore and stalk in close.
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25 December 2007, 21:09
butchlambertIs it in a vise in Duane's shop?
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25 December 2007, 21:18
richjLong barrel 7x64mm.
Short barrel/mannlicher 7x57.
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25 December 2007, 21:20
tnekkcc
I also have a pre WWI Orberndorf action.
I want to do something good with it, as it has a certain amount of dignity.
257 Roberts?
338-06?
25 December 2007, 21:24
Hog KillerMy vote is for a 10.75x68 or 404J, iron sighted.
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25 December 2007, 23:08
CustomstoxForrest,
Send it to Duane and tell him to build something and surprise YOU. We all know he will create a rifle that will be a treasure.
25 December 2007, 23:21
swheelerThat's easy, an 8x57, one fine cartridge.
26 December 2007, 03:26
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by rem721:
quote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
Maybe something like this...
That bolt handle is a disaster and the barrel is a bit long, but I'd love a 9.3X62 that is somewhat like this.
Something like this but without the quarter rib and with a longer barrel, same length stock, like the african specials. 9.3x62 or larger.
Ditto the bolt handle and rib. I don't care for an express style rib on a full-stock rifle. Kinda like baja tires on a Corvette.
But the long barrel is kinda intriguing; just a touch too long to work right for me. But there is something there....
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26 December 2007, 04:37
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26 December 2007, 04:39
TC1If you where a German veteran of the WWI and had plans of settling on the dark continent to live out the rest of your day's as an ex-patriot growing crops and drinking beer after the war. You would probably be at your gunsmith's right now asking him to convert this rifle over to the new 9.3 X 62 everybody is talking about. Pretty cool when you think about it.
For me it would be a nice open sight gun with as much European old world styling as I could handle.
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26 December 2007, 07:16
ForrestBThe action is a stripped receiver that Duane Wiebe said he found in the bottom of his tool box. I guess we all need to go clean out our tool boxes and see what's hiding there. I think this is an ultra-cool action but I won't talk Duane out of it. It is fun to dream about though.
He has a 9.3X62 in mind for himself and this would be a perfect action for him to use. I'll build a 9.3X62 one day and it'll be a full-stocked rifle with a barrel about 20-21" long.
If I were using this 1910 Mauser, I'd use clawmounts and a scope long enough to install the front foot on the barrel just ahead of the receiver ring. I have a beautiful 416 barrel that's just waiting for an action so that I can build another 416 Rigby. If that barrel were a .423, I'd build a 404 Jeffery on this action and scope it with clawmounts as described above.
The rifle in the photo is an Asprey rifle on the Cabela's website. I just checked and the description says this rifle has a 25" bbl. That's an awfully long barrel to put on a full-stocked sporter. It's nice but it wouldn't be worth $28K to me - not by a long shot. More photos are here:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun...17_asprey375_dun.jsp
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26 December 2007, 08:55
kududeThe Mauser actions prior to the mid-twenties were a bit "softer" than those made later. For this reason I'd limit myself to a classic Mauser cartridge, and although I love the 9.3x62, I load to a level that I would not attempt in an action of that era.
I'd go with 7x57 which is a wonderful cartridge, classic Mauser, and a good hunting round. As someone else suggested, the 6.5 Swede would be another candidate. But I'd stay away from any magnum cartridges and those "classics" we load hotter today than in yesteryear (30-06, 9.3x62, 270Win, etc.) Kudude
26 December 2007, 09:08
rem721quote:
Originally posted by kudude:
The Mauser actions prior to the mid-twenties were a bit "softer" than those made later. For this reason I'd limit myself to a classic Mauser cartridge, and although I love the 9.3x62, I load to a level that I would not attempt in an action of that era.
I'd go with 7x57 which is a wonderful cartridge, classic Mauser, and a good hunting round. As someone else suggested, the 6.5 Swede would be another candidate. But I'd stay away from any magnum cartridges and those "classics" we load hotter today than in yesteryear (30-06, 9.3x62, 270Win, etc.) Kudude
That's silly when you could just have the action "heat treated" and it would withstand modern loads easily.
26 December 2007, 09:21
333_OKHquote:
Originally posted by TC1:
If you where a German veteran of the WWI and had plans of settling on the dark continent to live out the rest of your day's as an ex-patriot growing crops and drinking beer after the war. You would probably be at your gunsmith's right now asking him to convert this rifle over to the new 9.3 X 62 everybody is talking about. Pretty cool when you think about it.
For me it would be a nice open sight gun with as much European old world styling as I could handle.
Terry
I like the older obscure cartridges, so that being said I would go for 256 newton, or the 375/400 express {9.5 mannmlicher}.
26 December 2007, 16:12
WinkThe 425 Westley Richards was introduced in 1909. Seems like the perfect cartridge for a 1910 action. .435 inch bullet diameter, 410 grains at 2,350 fps for 5,000 ft/lbs. Also a good opportunity to let Duane prove that this cartridge can feed just fine when the gunsmith knows what he's doing.
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26 December 2007, 18:32
tin canquote:
For me it would be a nice open sight gun
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I'd go with 7x57 which is a wonderful cartridge, classic Mauser, and a good hunting round. As someone else suggested, the 6.5 Swede would be another candidate
-or an 8mm, as above. It would be a crime to cover that receiver ring. A nice trim receiver sight would get a bit of the cartridges' potential back in a woodsey stalking rifle configuration.
26 December 2007, 19:21
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by tin can:
quote:
For me it would be a nice open sight gun
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I'd go with 7x57 which is a wonderful cartridge, classic Mauser, and a good hunting round. As someone else suggested, the 6.5 Swede would be another candidate
-or an 8mm, as above. It would be a crime to cover that receiver ring. A nice trim receiver sight would get a bit of the cartridges' potential back in a woodsey stalking rifle configuration.
This being my personal favorite... an option on Husqvarna rifles back in the day.
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