I am starting a new project. Imagine that. It is going to be a 416 Taylor built on a M70 Classic. This will be a DGR just incase that "someday" ever becomes reality. I would like to get 4 or 5 down and 1 up. The action came off of a 300 WM. 3 down is what I had. What needs to be done?

I was thinking of the Williams bottom one piece bottom metal but does it NEED that. I do know the crappy trigger guard HAS to go but do I NEED to change the floor plate too? Or could I safely go with just the new trigger guard?

How about the follower?

How about the extractor? I see Williams offers those too. Is there a problem with the originals?

As you can see this is my first M70. If this is going to require all of this why is it recommended over a Mauser?

Thanks for the info,
Wes

I don't know what kind of bottom metal you need to get 4 or 5 down, but I believe Williams is about to come out with a new one-piece bottom metal for Model 70 Classics with an in the bow release. Whether this is useful to you I don't know. Be aware, that most Model 70's manufactured in the last 2 or 3 years of production already have Williams machined extractors.

In order to increase your magazine capacity, you'll have to go with either a Blackburn or Sunny Hill magazine assembly, which will necessitate a new stock also. Unless there is someone about who will make you an extended magazine that drops below the normal stockline, your stuck with those choices. If you can get three down and one in the chamber, I wouldn't care about spending the many extra dollars for one or two more rounds.

I like one piece bottom metal assemblies even though they may be superfluous. To get four or five down the bottom metal (trigger guard/floor plate) doesn't matter so much as the magazine box. You'll have to find someone who can remachine the bottom of you action to accept a new, wider box. Standard depth Blackburn magazine boxes will hold 4 down and may or may not require a new stock. The extra depth will take five down and will definitely require a new stock. I think the Blackburn number 4 box is what you'll need for the .416 Taylor. For the work required to remachine the bottom of the receiver I would go all the way and open the action up for .416 Rem. My taste runs with the appearance of Blackburn's assembly over the SunnyHill unit.

The problem with the original mim'd extractors is that they aren't really a spring and can chip or break if the bolt is closed over a round already in the chamber. I have used a few of the Williams extractors and they are a nice addition to any M70. Some of the later M70 classic came with these OE so check yours before you swap it out.

This is a complete custom deal so a new stock is going to happen whether I change the bottom metal or not. It was originally a 300 WM so I thought I could just add some depth to the box and get four down?

If I read you right.....you have a M-70 classic that was originally a 300 Win mag......and you want a 416 Taylor?????...why???....that action can easily be modified to handle the 416 Rem Mag!

OK...taylor it is!

Sorry.....I can't recommend bottom metal as my experience runs very shallow in that area......sunny hill is where I'd look BTW.....

Your action needs no change in follower or extractor for the 416 Taylor (or the Rem Mag for that matter! Use it as-is!

Just get the bottom metal you want and have your stock man have at it.....

Have you decided on the barrel yet?...get one that has a matching Dakota contour quarter rib! and buy the lightest contour you can find.....weight can always be added later but it's damn hard to remove it.

The barrel is going to be a heavy SOB. It is a 5.5 contour Shilen match grade. I know it is probably too heavy.

I think I'll just get the trigger guard to replace the cheesy one Winchester had. How can I tell if the extractor is a spring steel one or not?

What advantages would I have with the Rem mag? Factory ammo and what else?

Wes

that wouldn't be the .300 I sold you would it?

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Wes

that wouldn't be the .300 I sold you would it?

It is, but I have not taken it apart yet so things could still change.

Take the extractor off and if on the inside it has a circle with a W in it, it is a Williams spring steel unit. Assuming the rifle is blue the mim'd extractors have a painted look and feel to them too. This is because they really were cast stainless that was more or less painted or coated with some plastic like substance.

For what it's worth I have a few classics and the two I have in .300 and .338 Win. have the exact same follower as my classics in .270 and .30-06 have. Same mag box too.

If going after DG is a reality for this rifle I would go with the Remmy just for ammo availability issues. I know that the Taylor can be made into a slick package but that doesn't help if your ammo is a no show in camp..

Wes,

If it isn't a Williams extractor, I will replace it.

LD

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Wes,

If it isn't a Williams extractor, I will replace it.

LD

What do you think Taylor or Rem.

I just hate the thought of having the word "Remington" on any rifle in my safe.

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I just hate the thought of having the word "Remington" on any rifle in my safe. [/QUOTE]

The easy cure for that is to do a .416 Hoffman.

chambering to the 416 Rem Mag does not put the name Remington anywhere on the gun!.....it's factory standard and thats all.....you get factory headstamped brass which can help in some countries!

The Taylor is a wildcat.....nothing wrong there but I'd far rather use the new 375 Ruger case for a wildcat than the 458 Win Mag. No alterations at all to the 300 winny action with either......except the bottom metal if you want more down.

Wildcats are always harder to resell and more expensive to build.....dies and chamber reamers cost more!.....although the 416 Taylor is a fairly common 'cat.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
chambering to the 416 Rem Mag does not put the name Remington anywhere on the gun!

I was just referring to the caliber designation, and trying my hand at some humor.

I am considering this route. What do I need to do to the action to convert from 300 WM to 416 Rem length?

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
What do I need to do to the action to convert from 300 WM to 416 Rem length?

There is a spacer in the magazine that needs to be removed. A new ejector and a new bolt stop needs to be installed.....you could do this yourself possibly.

One may then wish to do some milling on the rear bridge but I didn't on my 338 mag conversion to .375 H&H.....it is fine right now.

I may change my mind later but it's not at all difficult for someone with a mill.

If you buy the new parts and remove the spacer yourself, the conversion might run less than $100.......

I did mine in an afternoon......and didn't buy any parts.....just altered the existing parts.

In keeping with the spirit over on AR15.com, you should pick up a used 7mm STW Win model 70 CRF. Then you can make a 416 Taylor and a 416 Rem Mag.

Remember the mantra (that I learned from grandma dart): Get one of each!