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I am thinking about getting my FFLs and was wondering which one I would need. If I get them it will be for rebarreling other peoples rifles and doing a little repair work and for ordering actions.
Also, will I need to have some type of insurance.

Thanks in advance for the replys.
 
Posts: 2 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 07 March 2003Reply With Quote
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You don't need an FFL to rebarrel other peoples guns or regular gunsmith repairs and custom work....order actions however will require a FFL.

On the matter of insurance,...I strongly suggest you see an attorney.....
 
Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003Reply With Quote
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You don't need an FFL to rebarrel other peoples guns or regular gunsmith repairs and custom work....order actions however will require a FFL.




I beg to differ. As a Gunsmith you will need to get a FFL, *IF* you hold the customers gun for longer than 1 day. It doesnt matter if you are making a full custom gun or adding land of lakes butter to his stock.
 
Posts: 2045 | Location: West most midwestern town. | Registered: 13 June 2001Reply With Quote
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Smallfry, you are right. If you hold their firearm over 24 hours it has to be logged into a bound book and you must have an FFL. There is no distinction between FFL's at this time. Mine is up for renewal and at last they recognize that gunsmiths who do not do retail sales do not need to go through all the hoops and questions that retail folks do.
 
Posts: 4917 | Location: Wenatchee, WA, USA | Registered: 17 December 2001Reply With Quote
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Chic and Smallfry are on the correct trail.

In addition to a FFL if one holds firearms overnight (yep, even those belonging to friends, relatives, anyone) you need to thoroughly explore state, county, and city laws and ordinances. Just about any area requires a business license, and if you are operating out of a home, you need a conditional use permit.

One thing to remember: Having a FFL opens your complete place of business to inspection by the BATF. If it is your residence, then the complete residence is subject to inspection. And you must maintain a seperate log of personal firearms.

Don't get in trouble, find out what is required in your area. Obtain the regulations and read them intently.

FFL reguirements include maintaining a log of all incoming and outgoing firearms. NICS background checks required when transferring to a new owner, plus for out of state, for a new owner, the firearm must go to a FFL holder, whom must accomplish the NICS background check. If you receive actions or complete firearms for a third party, you are required to accomplish the NICS background check when transfering the firearms.

There are a bunch of old tales about needing FFL's floating around. And more than one gent in the country is doing gun work without an FFL. Kind of risky, and folks sending guns to this type of individual are on thin ice. A suggestion to all sending firearms to a gun smith: Ask for a copy of the FFL to include in the shipping carton with the gun. Doesn't make any difference if it is a gunsmith installing barrels, a checkerer, a stockmaker, a engraver or a person doing finishing and bluing, etc., the FFL is still required if the 24 hour rule is met.
 
Posts: 1055 | Location: Real Sasquatch Country!!! I Seen 'Em! | Registered: 16 January 2001Reply With Quote
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guess I'm in trouble.....so let me get this straight.

If I go to a store and purchase an action and rebarrel it and stock it and offer it for sale at a gun show I don't need a FFL....however if my neighbor brings me his 7MM Mag and want's it rebarreled to .375 H&H...I need a FFL because I can't do the job in a day?

Suppose I purchase the gunfrom him and sell it back to him....this truly don't make sense!!!
 
Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003Reply With Quote
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My latest understanding of the law is that if you buy the action, and barrel it with the sole intention of resale then you are a manufacture and need to be licensed. If, however you buy the action and barrel it for personnel use and then decide to resell it at sometime in the future then you do not have to be licensed.
 
Posts: 187 | Location: eastern USA | Registered: 06 September 2001Reply With Quote
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It doesn't make sense but thats the way it works. Even if its your next door neighbor. And yes, if the ATF decides you are engaging in business by selling guns for profit as opposed to "selling one to buy another" THEN YOU ARE SCREWED!!!
 
Posts: 11142 | Location: Texas, USA | Registered: 22 September 2003Reply With Quote
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...And more than one gent in the country is doing gun work without an FFL. Kind of risky, and folks sending guns to this type of individual are on thin ice. A suggestion to all sending firearms to a gun smith: Ask for a copy of the FFL to include in the shipping carton with the gun....






I was given a "reference" to a guy up in PA a couple years ago when I inquired about having a rifle reblued. The guys emails didn't quite seem right (I actually got one that said "My dad's not here right now, but go ahead & send it to this address....). He claimed to have all kinds of references (PA State Police, local PD departments, "all the gun shops in the area", etc, but was unwilling to provide a specific contact for any of them). So, after a few of these emails, I "agreed" to send it, and asked for his FFL to send it to (as a "confirmation" factor). Guess what? Immediate silence from his end. After a few more emails, I finally received another "My dad is too busy right now..." emails. Funny...
 
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