While many have said ill of Remington extractors I hear little of the extractor on a push feed Winchester Model 70. Has there been any real issue with them? I have a couple that would make nice donors.
I am working towards a project for a USA deer/hog and Africa plains game. Not for dangerous stuff.

Mark

For the record there is nothing inherently wrong with the Remington extractor. The Winchester PF extractor relies on a spring and detent in a blind hole for it's movement. As long as nothing finds it's way into the hole and jams the detent, you should be fine.

The reason you hear about so many Remington extractor failures is due to the great numbers of these rifles in use--literally millions. Even if only a few percent of these rifles experience a problem with the extractor it ends up being a large number of failures. People are usually not happy when their stuff breaks so they tell lots of other people about it. In reality, the Remington extractor is a well proven reliable device.

I only have one push feed Win and it functions perfectly. It appears to be very much like the Sako extractor.
The 700 uses a spring of sorts inside the bolt face and a plunger. I had a model 788 that had fired many rounds that would not eject but I never fixed it as it made saving brass easy.

There's been more BS put out about the Remington extractor than I've seen anywhwere else, ever, incuding the big local livestock sale barn!

Even the vaunted Layne Simpson (IMO a legend in his own mind) has succumbed to this drivel. I remember reading one of his columns in which he mentions his own accuracy-built 6PPC Remington rifle in which he had his smith convert the bolt to a Sako-type claw extractor. Layne mentioned that the reason was to prevent extraction malfunctions in the original setup.(!?!)

The popular mod to convert the Remington extractor was originally done for safety reasons, but only AFTER the introduction of the PPC cartridges!

The PPC brass has a noticably thinner head-to-powder-chamber dimension, making the case wall too thin at the junction of the bolt head and chamber rear edge. If(when) the pressures become too high for the brass, then the case wall will blow out. Since the standard accuracy load for the PPCs is in excess of 60-65K psi, this was happening with some frequency in the Benchrest world(grin), and so the extractor mod was born.

The mod was done NOT to correct any extraction problems, but rather to allow the nose of the Remington bolt to be shortened enough to allow the full enclosure of the PPC case walls within the barrel's chamber.

Layne was WAAAAYY behind the power curve on that one, and it's just that kind of uninformed but blaring egotistical ignorance that has resulted in an undeserved bad rep for the Remington extractor system.

JMOFWIW, of course as always YMMV.
Regards, Joe

Thanks for the input. I have never had an issue with either one.
I have looked at Sako style extractors and was a bit surprised to see how they were held into the bolt. Just a little push on the extractor and it comes out and the parts are in the grass.
For my project I was looking at Winchesters because I prefer that safety. I have not heard any disparaging remarks about the Mod 70 and thought it must be OK or some one would have been talking.
My hunting buddy keeps saying “use the pre 64” then there will be no question about extraction. But I am saving it for I don’t know what project.

Mark

Oh, I have several model 700's, a 600, and a seven. None have ever had an extraction "issue".

I think if you have any mechanical device it will at some point wear out. The mauser type extractors just last longer and can tolerate more debris. The Rem needs to be maintained but most won't shoot enough to ever wear one out.

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Originally posted by Mark Clark:
I have looked at Sako style extractors and was a bit surprised to see how they were held into the bolt. Just a little push on the extractor and it comes out and the parts are in the grass.

You better take a closer look 'cause that ain't how they come out. Certainly not one that is installed correctly.

With the bolt removed from the gun if I push out on the front end it comes out. I have had it come out while cleaning with a tooth brush.
I just have one, maybe it was not done right.
With it in the gun doing its job it would be held by the barrel,

Mark

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Originally posted by Mark Clark:
With the bolt removed from the gun if I push out on the front end it comes out. I have had it come out while cleaning with a tooth brush.
I just have one, maybe it was not done right.
With it in the gun doing its job it would be held by the barrel,

Mark

Something isn't right, you need to have it looked at. The frustration level to remove one should be about 4.

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I will have it checked out on Monday.

Mark

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Originally posted by Mark Clark:
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I will have it checked out on Monday.

Mark

There a lot of guys who have done the conversion, I for one. Most do not do it correctly. If it comes out like you say, it was NOT done correctly. Some of these guys simply remove the old extractor and mill the slot. I have one in the shop right now that was done that way and it causes the brass to hang up in the undercut for the original extractor.

Think you will find Remington solder on the bolt handle so that component will fail before the extractor does

Personally I don’t like the Remington extractor, but that’s largely a reflection on the advertising blurb, one of those rings of steel is sustainably under cut

I have just been into Town in my car, design is poor the whole body shell is individual components welded together. I reckon if someone machined a body from solid, all those people who insist on a machined from solid bolt Remington bolt would form a queue to buy one and have a proper car to match their rifle

It doesn't matter if one of the three rings is "under cut", or, your cars body is comprised of individual components welded together, if you handload your ammo and drive your car with your head up your ass, ain't neither going to save you.

I had gunsmith check out the Sako extractor. He said the hole is too big. It can be fixed if an issue arises but since it works do not worry about it, just do not poke at it while in the field. I use the rifle for paper, coyotes and plan to use it for prairie dogs some day. I have other rifles to use if it is critical for a hunt.

Mark