The rule is always FFL to FFL. When it arrives at the other end that FFL holder will then register the firearm to the buyer.

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I had the store where I originally purchased it ship to so Ruger would pay shipping costs...

At least that is how it happened to me last year.. No telling what new rules came in under the door Jan 1st? This is California too�..

Scout�

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Originally posted by Bubba John:
35nut is correct. On a rifle,wrap it good, take it to the post office, insure it, and ship.They will not ask what it is.

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I could be mistaken, but I think post master no longer ships guns.. New laws.. Could be California only but that would make no sense...

Call or look it up on the web. FEDERAL LAWs.... Not sure, but here is a link that may have some sort of link to the feds site. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist.htm This link is for California approved locks for your gun so you can make a weapon of defense a worthless rock..... I keep looking for a timeout buzzer for the bad guy... Hope this helps a little, if not it was amusing any how.....
Scout..

A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8

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Andrew V. McGee

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Originally posted by Craftsman:
You need to go to an FFL holder in your area and give him the copy of the FFL and have him ship the firearm.

The rule is always FFL to FFL. When it arrives at the other end that FFL holder will then register the firearm to the buyer.

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This isn't correct, but that hasn't stopped ATF from telling it to people in the past -- that's probably how this idea has gotten perpetuated.

John

Do you have a FFL? If you do you have not read the ATF regulations or dont understand them.

If you do not have a FFL then you are giving advice on something you dont have all the facts on. You are going by here say or quoting some law taken out of context.

Either way I suggest you get a copy of the ATF regulations and set down and read them carefully.

Regulations clearly state that the only way a person without a FFL may ship a firearm out of state is to a FFL holder for work or repair, then that firearm can be shipped back directly to that same person. If you want to ship a firearm to someone out of state for any other reason then it must be FFL to FFL. Thats what the 1968 Gun Control Act was all about.

If you ship a firearm interstate with out going through a FFL holder it would be kind of like running a red light, you might get caught or you might get away with it, the only differance is if the ATF catch you I hope you know a good attorney.

(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-state source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the
purchaser's own state? [Back]

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-state source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's state of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. [18 U. S. C 922( a)( 3) and (5), 922( b)( 3), 27 CFR 178.29]

B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back]

A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms

It says nothing about shipping from an FFL holder to the FFL holder. Not necessary. Just a common misunderstanding.

I would not use UPS. Their insurance is expensive and they have a bad habit of not paying firearms claims. We sent the ACGG 2002 Raffle Rifle all around the country and registered mail was the most secure and cheapest.

Chic Worthing

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Originally posted by Craftsman:
John Frazer

Do you have a FFL? If you do you have not read the ATF regulations or dont understand them.

If you do not have a FFL then you are giving advice on something you dont have all the facts on. You are going by here say or quoting some law taken out of context.

Either way I suggest you get a copy of the ATF regulations and set down and read them carefully.

Regulations clearly state that the only way a person without a FFL may ship a firearm out of state is to a FFL holder for work or repair, then that firearm can be shipped back directly to that same person. If you want to ship a firearm to someone out of state for any other reason then it must be FFL to FFL. Thats what the 1968 Gun Control Act was all about.

If you ship a firearm interstate with out going through a FFL holder it would be kind of like running a red light, you might get caught or you might get away with it, the only differance is if the ATF catch you I hope you know a good attorney.

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I don't have an FFL. However, my work requires more than a passing familiarity with gun laws since I'm a lobbyist for the NRA!

A couple of years ago I made up a chart showing the shipping requirements and options for different types of licensees and nonlicensees to ship or receive firearms within their own state or intrastate. There are restrictions based on particular types of firearm, the reason for the shipment, and special exceptions for *writers and experts", law enforcement, etc. We had to use really small type and a lot of footnotes to get it all correct on one page!

Back to the point -- Customstox quotes the relevant ATF language. Most of the time the only way a nonlicensee can *receive* a firearm directly through mail or UPS is when it's being returned from repair, replacement or customization. But that doesn't forbid a nonlicensee from shipping directly to a licensee.

Of course some licensees may have their own policies on the matter (as I said, possibly based on being told wrong by ATF) so it's always worth checking in advance. And a person may choose to go through a dealer just because the dealer is more familiar with how to go about it all, or is more accessible for deliveries -- I've done that myself with a rifle sent for repair.

I personally have no problem going either way, BUT, I will not pay a "shipping" dealer more than $5 over actual shipping costs; anything else is a rip-off.

Regards,

Kevin

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Originally posted by Gunner:
I'm with the majority on this one - the ATF regulations are deliberately vague... I have found FFLs around the country who fall on either side of the fence. My experience is that small FFL holders are more likely to demand shipment from another FFL in a quid-pro-quo arrangement where everyone gets a little money...

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I don't think the regs are vague, but people are certainly free to charge a few bucks for a "CYA" or convenience service, just as the person looking for the service is free to shop for someone cheaper.

You are right, it isn't much on the shipping dealer's end -- log it into the bound book, log it out, wrap it, weigh it and call UPS.

John