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What would be the best replacement extracor for a Rem 700? | ||
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One simple answer, don't go there! Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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I'v used both the m-16 and sako with good results. both have pro's and con's, so up to you and your machinist which to use. mtbullet | |||
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A feww thousand rounds of Remington shooting and I've never had a problem with the factory extractor.........I know......that's just boring.... . | |||
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I have to agree that's there isn't much wrong with the factory extractor. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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talk to jim kobe, he does a beautiful job of fitting sako extractors into remmys. bigger unit | |||
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A CZ 550 rifle - complete.  Or a Winchester, Sako, Vanguard, etc. etc. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Not necessary for almost any cartridge out there except for the 6PPC as (over)loaded by the Benchrest crowd. No disparagement is intended, the overloading is how they get their splendid results, BUT the dimensions of the Remington bolt nose and the PPC case head are very marginal when used together. The Remington system is safe when used with the more common types of cases, but the PPC case has a smaller dimension from its powder chamber floor to the rear of its case head. This means that the thin part of the case side wall extends further to the rear than other cases and it ends up right on the edge of the gap between the chamber's rear end and the factory Remington bolt's front end. The overloaded PPC case wall will sometimes blow out through this small gap and so the Benchresters started cutting the Rem bolt noses back and using other extractor systems. Well! As soon as the non-Benchresters heard about this new 'accuracy' practice then almost everyone jumped on the bandwagon, most without really knowing why. After all, if them there accuracy boys did it, why, it jest nacherly HADTA be better, now didn't it?(VBG) Short answer, if not using a PPC case then why spend the money? The alteration actually makes the rifle MORE unsafe if catastrophically overloaded, because of the straighter gas path! Regards, Joe __________________________ You can lead a human to logic but you can't make him think. NRA Life since 1976. God bless America! | |||
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Not a thing wrong with the factory 700 extractor. Not to mention that it's the safest. | |||
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The one that came on the rifle.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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I thought it was very weak and easy to break? I would buy a model 70 if they made them as light as a Ti rifle. | |||
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How long has the military used the 40x/700 platform for their sniper rifles?? Do they put in Sako or AR extractors?? I have seen the stock ones tear a chunk out of a stuck case. | |||
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Ed Brown uses an M16 type extractor in his rifles, which are similar in many other respects to the Remington 700 and its "three rings of steel." The M16 design is a much more robust and reliable design than the standard Remington. As for whether anyone needs to do it, well, for me that would depend on how I planned to use the rifle. If I had only ever heard of one Remington extractor breaking, that would be one too many for me to want to rely on it in a DG rifle. P.S.: I have heard of more than one Remington extractor breaking! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Given that criteria, based on ALL the broken extractors I've seen and replaced over the years on some of your favorite rifles, you would be left with having to use a long bow. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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Hah! Read my P.S.! But seriously, given your experience, how do you rate the various designs for strength and reliability? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Interestingly, I have heard of Remington extractors breaking; however, I have never seen any broken Remington extractors. The USMC has been using the remingtion 700 platform as the basis for the M40 sniper rifle for going on 40 years. They have not seen it fit to change the extractor. I have also never heard a single LE armorer or military armorer complain about the Remington extractor. Would love to hear from them. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I am not wanting a DGR or a sniper rifle I am planning on a Rem Ti build for a lightweight hunting rifle. I have read and had a problem with one of my Rem 700 extractor breaking and looking for the best way to go. What would be the problem with the M16 extractor? | |||
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EDM, Two points are trying to be made here and they are irrespective of whether you want a sniper, DGR, or just plain old hunting rifle. 1) One Group of folks firmly believes that there is no problem with Remington 700 extractor 2) Another group of folks thinks it is a piece of junk. The first group believes that the second group's opinion is more based on gossip than actually data given the actual service record of the model 700 and that any extractor can fail; therefore, switching extractors is likely to be no more reliable than the original. If you you are more comfortable switching the extractor, I would talk to the smith building the rifle and see which he prefers to do. If I was going to switch it out, I would want my overall rifle builder to comfortable with choice of Sako vs M16 style. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I hear about all of the ones that fail too. But of the hundreds that have come through my shop over the years, I haven't seen that many, and of those i've seen, most were the result of handloaders who didn't know when to quit adding powder. As far as rating the various designs, they are all pretty good as designs go. None of them are fool proof. Personally I am not big on those extractors that utilize a spring and a plunger for use on anything that can hunt you. In the heat of battle, too much can go wrong and they can, and do, jam. My criteria for the best extractor system is a little different from most. First, I look at which one actually provides the best support of the case head while providing a larger gripping surface of the rim, and second, which one, in a sheer panic, will allow me to retrieve a loose round from the ground, and throw it directly into the chamber without worrying about it hanging up or the bolt not closing.. That's what I look for. As for the M-16 style, it is a battle proven design and is readily adapted to the Remington bolt. It does however break the 3 rings of steel concept which is a pretty good safety concept. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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If you want to worry about something on your Remington 700 breaking - worry about the bolt handle coming off when you hammer on the bolt to try and get a stuck one out-I have had ONE extractor break on me- It broke on the first round through the gun 7Rem mag- Broke at the rivet hole They have gone to a rivet less style now. I love the 700- I own a closet full of them. | |||
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I too have NEVER seen a M-700 exractor break. But I have seen and had the M-700 leave fired cases in the chamber, on more than one ocassion. It would simply tear a SMALL portion of the rim off (Remington brass). And 57 grains of H-4350 in NOT to hot in any of my other 270 Win. rifles. "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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I like the mini 16 extractor we designed for Jerry Stiller . They are safe and work great. I will machine and grind a remington bolt any size you would like with a mini 16, remington or sako extractor cut for 106 bucks. I plan on a sale on some shelf stock bolts friday . Look on the Pacific Tool and Gauge web site under specials. There will be some killer prices. Thanks Dave | |||
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I've never seen a broken Rem 700 extractor. And I have some Remingtons made back to 1949, a 722 that uses the same extractor. I have seven 722's and a half dozen 700's with no failures that I'm aware of (The 722's were bought used, and I don't know about their repair history, if any). If it ain't broke, I don't fix it. | |||
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STILLERS M-16 STYLE made by ptg as from the above post by reamer. They are the best I have installed. If remington had a better ejector, like a mauser, and welded or one piece bolt handle, then I would have no problem hunting any dangerous game with a Rem style action with a M-16 style extractor. I can say anytime I broke handles off a remington, it was my fault by loading to the max. If you use standard loads, your chamber is polished properly, you should never have a broken extractor or bolt handle on a rem. | |||
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I've yet to break an extractor on a 721,722,Seven,600 or 700...though I've tried to with over 500lbs of Re-15 alone. | |||
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I have a 1909 Argentine Mauser with a broken extractor. I guess that leaves out Mauser 98 types also. | |||
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OMG!...it can't be true...the big manly claw extractor...so superior and invicible...broke Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I've had more F/F woes via CRF than PF or the CRPF Winny bastardization. But of course I'm often justly "accused" of being coordinated. | |||
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I have been shooting Remington 700's and "around" people shootig Rem 700's for over 35 years. And I am talking about high volume shooters, rifle match shooters and Police Snipers. I have seen only 2 broken extractors. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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What does the M16 style do to the gas in case of a failure? | |||
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Flies like a Sako. | |||
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It would provide an escape path for the gas right down the side of the bolt. Depending on how severe the failure, the M16 style extractor would be less prone to go flying than the Sako because it is actually pinned to the bolt, where the Sako merely floats and is held in by spring tension. I wouldn't want either present in the event of a catastrophic failure. Of course you avoid those types of events by paying attention to what you are doing. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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Westpac you are correct . Great post. Thanks Dave | |||
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You could buy the M70 and send it to "Rifles Inc." (I might foul-up the spellin' of his name), Lex Weiberneck(SP?) and he can reduce the weight of it to about anywhere you want. As a side BONUS, it also reduces the weight of your billfold. However, I prefer Remington rifles just as they are, without changing the Extractor, nor replacing an excellent factory Trigger. Best of luck to you. | |||
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Provided the stock isn't "termite food". Semper fi!_______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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I'd go NULA long before allowing Lex to hack on anything. | |||
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 The three Rem CDL stocks I have a nice looking, and well fitting stocks. My seven Rem 722's have stocks made from Early American Fence Post wood.. | |||
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I bought a BDL in 270 Win in the late 60s it has many hundreds of hunting days plus it's on it's 3rd barrel (I used to put 1000 rounds a year through it) No problems period. I bought a Rem XCR II in 375 H&H new, it wouldn't chamber factory Rem ammo. Extractor was too large. I had Kevin Weaver put a Sako extractor on it, flawless. I recently bought a BDL in 7mm Mag used, it looks brand new. Extremely hard extraction on fired rounds. I chrono'd the rounds, had Kevin go through it, measure headspace etc. I'm going to have him put a Sako extractor on it as well. Remington QC obviously went into the toilet 40 years ago. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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The/y are only mechanical, they do fail. I have seen a few. Nowadays the only alternative is a Sako or M16 but there are a few pitfalls. Location of the placement for the Sako is critical and can cause the extracted round to hit the scope turret and bounce back into the loading port, mostly on the magnum cases. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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