I know some of you are sick of hearing us Californians whine. Please feel free to skip this rant.

I understand that California has more BS laws than most states, but I am really growing tired of the FFLs in this state going out of their way to help the gun-grabbers by putting hurdles in the path of honest citizens.

Here is an email that I received from an FFL dealer:

quote:

No FFL is allowed to take a shipment from a non FFL per Federal and state law. If you find one who is willing to do so, be careful due to it would be an illegal transaction.

Aron
Ready Aim Firearms
(707)616-9853

Here is my reply:

quote:

I hope I was not too short with you in my last email. I could find nothing on the CA DOJ website that states that FFLs can only receive from FFLs. Can you tell me where it states that transfers must go FFL to FFL?

I did find this on the ATF's website:
(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State? [Back]

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.



(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[Back]

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.


If it is a state law I can't find it, but according to what I posted above it is clearly not a federal law. I highlighted the important part in blue.


With all due respect, I have to tell you I am really sick of hearing FFLs here in California repeat this garbage. You guys are worse than the gun-grabbers who are in office because you are supposed to be on our side but, due to ignorance or apathy, you hinder our ability to lawfully acquire firearms.

I doubt it will do any good. Is there some type of affirmative action in this state that requires that a certain percentage of FFL holders must be anti-gun, developmentally disabled, or lazy?

I'm an FFL in Michigan and am signed up for the CA gun shipping circus. I have shipped firearms to CA with no problem other than the time to register each firearm shipped. I have customers (without FFL) who regularly ship firearms to FFL's in CA. The fist thing I noticed when reading the CA literature is the complete lack of logic in requiring FFL's to register to ship to FFL in CA but no requirements for non-FFL's to ship in. Regardless of the law, many FFL's all over the US will not accept firearms from non'FFL's as a matter of business practice.

Only a suggestion as it's what I've done personally . Find a FFL TRANSFER DEALER !. They in my case don't SELL firearms , ONLY TRANSFERS firearms . Paper work waiting period all apply . My FFL transfer dealer is a Cop and a Dam Decent Guy !. Fees are lower than most and does multiple transfers much more reasonably than anyone I've ever found !. As he doesn't sell firearms no tax is required to change hands !. A BONUS as it's all perfectly legal . Out of state purchases no tax transfers no tax a Win Win situation IMO !.

As a matter of business practice the are free to do as they like. What pisses me off is when they say that it is state and federal law.

It's like they are doing the antis job for them.

Jason, there are a lot of FFL's who don't know the regs and Aron is certainly one of them. Unfortunately they seem to think they that the world is waiting eagerly for their BS.

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Originally posted by Customstox:
Jason, there are a lot of FFL's who don't know the regs and Aron is certainly one of them. Unfortunately they seem to think they that the world is waiting eagerly for their BS.

Boy is that an understatement. It seems to be a big misconception that FFL holders actually Know the law.... Good luck.
NO WHERE IN THE FFL PROCESS ARE YOU TESTED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GUN LAWS.
Granted they send you all the booklets but you are by no means required to read them.
And then you have what's worse... The guy that THINKS he knows the law but in reality couldn't find his own ass with both hand and a flashlight these guys are just about the worst and will spread rumors, lies, and just plain misinformation for two reasons, one they are to damn lazy to actually find out the truth or are just dumb enough to believe the outlandish crap the circulates in gun shops.
I have found a good shop in my area that doesn't play that game. They are up on all the laws and can advise with confidence.

PS this is kinda like explaining to the USPS that it is still legal to ship a gun