A have a lot of rifles, but no falling block rifle. Now this is my next "must have" rifle.
Looking for it I found not many manufatures. Browning, Ruger, Hagn, Dakota and some German custom rifles.
My rifle should have
- stainless match barrel(if possible) Which twist rate?
- weaver rail (I only use scopes with a rail, is it possible on a weaver rail?)
- a very hot 300 caliber (thinking of 300 Pegasus)
- which barrel lenghts?

Burkhard

I don't know much about this type of action but saw one at this link. http://rifleactions.com/singleshot.htm

Larry

If you want a modern falling block with stainless, I'd just buy a Ruger stainless #1 and send it to one of the better Ruger gun cranks to get it set up the way you want it. You ought to get there for 3 grand or less. No point in spending 3 grand just for an action and then building a modern rifle that only be worth the price of the action when it's finished.

Not a criticism of your desires, to each his own. Just a practical fact about using an expensive, hand-built reproduction action on a non-traditional firearm.

Hagn rifle with a 300 H&H!!!


Or a ruger if on a budget... same caliber though!

Read: http://www.reloadersnest.com/article_300hh_oct2803.asp

And yes, it's pretty easy to barrel-mount a Weaver or Picatinny rail on a single shot rifle.

I have two Ruger #1s. a 22/250 and a 7 mm mag.

Here's one of my better targets. On the left is the 22.250 and in the middle is the 7.

The 7 is very consistent while the 22/250 varies. It has a Busnell Banner ($99) scope that I going to replace and see if that's the problem.

Neight rifle has had any custom work, in fact, all I have done is to test different loads.

Burkhard,

You have some very interesting single-shot rifles in Europe, even if they are break-action. Do you like any of those?

I have shot several Ruger No. 1 rifles over the years, I still have my 6 mm Rem because it is so accurate. They are a great rifle to start with if you want to get into falling-block rifles. I am not sure what versions and calibers Ruger is importing into Europe, but it would be easy to start with a .300 Mag and go up if you needed more velocity.

jim

I think you could build a Ruger #1 in 300 Pegasus with good wood and a stainless match grade barrel for E3500.

Dakota will build you one of their own M10s for $4500 and up. But the caliber will be limited to the ones Dakota makes.

Hagn or Hein would probably build you a similar rifle. The Hein will be similarly priced to the Dakota the Hagn will cost $20,000.

I really enjoy my Ruger #1. I have had a lot of them. Someday I will order a Dakota M10 300 H&H with superlux wood and a color case hardened finish.

Nortman - The 300 H&H is absolutely not available. No chance. I often read about this cartridge in the US hunting chats never saw a hunter with it.

Hunter Jim - I have a single shot rifle with break action in 30R Blaser. But now its time for a falling block

D99 I have still found my dream falling block rifle, its made in Ferlach/Austria by SCHEIRING.
Custom made in 300 Pegasus too. As I asked for the price the answer was someting like "..if you ask for the price, we are sure its not affordable for you"


Thanks

Burkhard

Burkhard: you mean they dont chamber for it? Or you dont want it?

I know they dont chamber for it.

these are also nice: http://www.dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Miller_Arms_Rifles

The miller action is the best single shot action there is. The fastest locktime, and even fewer(sp) than the Hagn action..

Had my hands on a vintage Grundig(sic) Heeren SS in 7x57 at the Mandalay Bay show.. Beautiful small action, front pull falling block with claw mounts and scope.. $7k from Deweys table I think.

Rich

Heerens can give extraction trouble, not enough leverage. Years back a New York gun store had a matched pair of Glasers in .220 Swift and .30'06, beautiful rifles, I took them to try them out. Had to use my foot and kick the levers to get them to extract.

Hagns are nice and start about $10,000, a guy I know bought one just over a year back and it is a nice piece. I don't care for the Dakota after handling quite a number of them, I own a Dakota 76 and think that Dakota rifles are generally over-priced for what you get.

I would seriously consider a re-worked Ruger No. 1 by a good smith for a solid rifle with real value and the Hein would be my first choice, overall....well, a rifle by Herbert Scheiring just might make the grade........yeah, and a matched pair of 20 bore Boss O/Us as well and ...........

I only have Ruger #1s and an 1885, but I have the book, "Single Shot Rifles and Actions" by De Haas.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5737

Armed with that extraordinary book, I know what good rifles I have.

Nortman
I think if you really want a 300H&H a gunsmith will chamber it for you. But I think nobody will have the reamer for that caliber and you have to pay a horrible price for a rifle with a big ammo problem.

Same happend to me when I asked for a rifle in 333 Jeffery.

Burkhard

Pac Nor has the 300 H & H listed as a standard chamber for their barrels and also list the 300 Pegasus as a wildcat chambering.

Whom is best at working on Ruger #1 and#3?

I got a Ruger #1 .223 thinking that I would rebarrel to .223 with a good barrel, but the stock Ruger barrel is shooting 2" 5 shot groups at 200 yards, half the time.

Hi Burkhard.

Triebel has reamers to loan available in calibre .300H&H. He will loan that tools to everybody in Germany with a lincence to manufacture guns ("Herstellungsgenehmigung"), so I do not see the point. I have bought a .300H&H bolt action which has recently build.
Cases and dies are available from different sources -look at the current Johannson catalog, and they are very affortable. I you decide to the nuch rarer .300 Pegasos its getting expensive. Robert

The Hagn & Hein are exclusive, beautiful actions, built with bank vault precision.
The Ruger, however common & inexpensive, is an equally beautiful & fine quality action.

Hmm,

the 300 H&H is an old and belted cartridge. Starting a falling block projekt I am looking for a "modern" cartridge. Therefore my first look was to the 300 Pegasus or something similar. The time for belted ammo should be over, or is there any new cartridge in the last 20 years which is belted.
So, back to my first question, where can I get a falling block single shot rifle in 300 Pegasus, or which other hot 300 or 7mm round would you recommend, or is there a rifle in 338 Lapua out of the box?


bURKHARD

Marlee Parks in Washington state is a Ruger #1 smith and the work I have seen is very good.
Butch

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Originally posted by Burkhard:
Hmm,

the 300 H&H is an old and belted cartridge. Starting a falling block projekt I am looking for a "modern" cartridge. Therefore my first look was to the 300 Pegasus or something similar. The time for belted ammo should be over, or is there any new cartridge in the last 20 years which is belted.
bURKHARD

I would personally opt for a cartridge which 1) did not provide any problems in the platform I had in mind, and 2) for which ammo, components and dies were readily available in the area I happened to live in, and 3) which I could shoot well in a rifle of the weight I was aiming at. I'd possibly also consider 4) possible resale value of a gun in common vs. an oddball caliber.

If the .300 Pegasus (whatever that is?) fulfills those criteria for you, and if it rocks your boat, then have at it. I have personally never seen neither ammo, cases nor dies for this cartridge in Europe, but maybe you have a different supplier??

Speaking of "old fashioned" cartridges. Even an "old fashioned" (actually, some of us might choose the word "classic" instead) cartridge like the .300 H&H can probably be made to shoot more accurately than 99% of shooters can take advantage of - including you?? Lots of match rifles are made every year in belted cartridges (the .300 Win Mag springs to mind). So although the belted cartridges have disadvantages, at least many of them are readily available, and their belts don't stop them performing the way they should - that is really more a question of the smithing as opposed to the case design.

If you'd prefer a case without a belt, how about a .300 RUM?? At least the brass is readily available in the States (Europe??) as are dies. I don't know if you'd be happy to shoot such a heavy recoiler in a (presumably) light, single shot rifle?? Otherwise a .300 WSM might seem a logical choice...

Good luck with your project.

- mike

"Stainless, with a Weaver mount." (loose quote)

Sounds like you're not looking for anything real classic. I'd just get a Ruger#1 stainless and have it rebarreled in what ever caliber floats your boat.

You could spent a bunch of cash on one of the above mentioned rifles, but for what you're looking for, I wouldn't.

Terry

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Originally posted by Burkhard:
.... or is there any new cartridge in the last 20 years which is belted.....

bURKHARD

Since you asked, Holland and Holland has released two belted cartridges in the past few years - 400 H&H and the 465 H&H. Also Remington released the 416 Remington Magnum in 1989, I think.

That being said, I understand the point you were making.

In a single shot rifle, it is hard to think of very many (if any) serious, genuine, disadvantages to a belted case. A belted cartridge may not be superior to a rimless case in the same single-shot action, but is hardly inferior, either.

To be honest, if I were in your shoes, I would look seriously at choosing some cartridge based on a RIMMED case....even if I had to design the cartridge myself. After all, a custom reamer & headspace gauge, and custom dies, are still very cheap compared to the cost of a good custom single-shot rifle.

One nice thing about rimmed cases in single-shots. They are not likely to ever pose an extraction problem if not greatly overloaded. That's not as likely these days to be a problem with a rimless case as it was in the past, but it still is more likely than with a rimmed case.

One thing is for sure, if you ever HAVE to shoot dangerous game with a single shot, you SURELY don't want it to be a single-shot with an unextracted case jammed in it.

All,

The 300 Pegasus is a cartridge devloped by Art Alphin of A-Square. It is similar to the 7.82 Warbird. Hubert Schierring makes this rifle in a single shot in a clamshell action. $$$$$$$

Burkhard,

I was thinking about taking a new Ruger #1 and making it into a 338 Lapua if it could be made to fit. With a 27 inch #4 or #5 fluted Hart barrel or better yet octagonal barrel. Of course I think I would magna-port the barrel.

Then coating all the metal in some sort of tough phenolinic black resin finish, and putting into a nice stock. I think it would be the "Hammer of Thor".

That darn 300 Pegasus is too difficult for me to deal with.

Everyone can get 338 Lapua.

A 30-378 Weatherby would also be of interest.

This new 450-400 NE chambering leaves me to beleive that the Ruger number one will handle a bigger diameter case head than I thought before possible.

I asked a question about ruger #1s in Long Range Hunting. A guy posted back showing his Ruger #1 in 30tomahawk or pegasus (can't remember which) which seemed pretty much what you want. Didn't cost him much.

If you do a search for posts by 1894 you should pull it up

I think you should consider a rimmed cartridge since that action was designed with rimmed cartridges in mind. Here's a link to a very long list of the possibilities:

http://www.intermin.fi/intermin/images.nsf/files/6D0F8F...AIPPA+II+haku+02.pdf

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Originally posted by Nortman:
Hagn rifle with a 300 H&H!!!

Flanged ofcouse