-mind you, I'm usually the last guy to hear about things; if this is a recent repost, my apologies.

http://www.clawmounts.com/

I'm trying to think of something positive to say, but I just can't. These look absolutely awful.

Well I have to agree. They are ugly!!!!

Worse than how they look is how they function. You can't get a decent fit on a stock that lets you look both through the scope, and use the iron sights. Try to "split the difference" and it means you can't use either. These look through scope mounts may sound like a good idea at first, but they aren't.

Well the old man would say if you can't say something nice then say nothing at all.

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boy is the gunsmith going to be pissed when he follows the link to here from his hit counter.

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boy is the gunsmith going to be pissed when he follows the link to here from his hit counter

Free Market feedback from a diverse group of hunters, shooters, and rifle builders. People that aren't interested in what their potential market says about their product don't normally stay in business.

They appear well made, I'll give them that. On a working gun, I brand them ridiculous. As replica's of yesterdays lesser usable inovations, they look superb.

Forrest-

Did Mr. Weibe use Reckenagles on the matched pair of rifles he made for you?

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
Forrest-

Did Mr. Weibe use Reckenagles on the matched pair of rifles he made for you?

You're opening a touchy subject.
Duane made those from scratch. I've used the Recknagels before but I wanted something a little better looking so I asked Duane to build some for me. Duane has so much talent, I thought it would be an easy job...WRONG! They are rock solid and a beauty to behold, but I'm not allowed to mention them to Duane ever again.

Wow. THat makes the rifles even more impressive that I thought them before. He sure does set a high bar for the mear mortals among us.

I wanted the release built into the squarbridge and I wanted the rear rings to exactly match the dimensions of the squarebridge (the Recknagels would be too narrow). You can see in these photos that Duane got it right. I just don’t want to know what they really cost me.

That is indeed fine work. My compliments to the chef!

Is that an integral quarter rib on an octagon barrel?

Glenn Fewless

Glenn, that's exactly right. The barrel was built by Ralf Martini.

nice gun ForrestB. whats that stock look like?
I imagine it has been posted here somewhere before????

I don't remember if I posted this before...

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2134171483

ForrestB

I know you have posted pics before because I kept them and use them to remind me just how much I need to improve.

I loved your album it is fantastic.

That is just beautiful, wonderful craftmanship!
Duane Viebe never stops to impress me!
And a major improovement of any European made claw mount it is! With the scope placed correctly!
Forrest B, I have used a pick of your rifles in various threads about claw-mounts, I hope you don't mind!

I am really sorry, but I just HAD to compare theese two pics.....for all to see!

Hi Bent...very classy...tell us more about the rifle

Sir,

I said I was sorry, because I have posted this a couple of times before, to show the ridiculous scopemounting on the european made gun.

The rifle is a Gammes, from France, I think.
Yes, the rifle is very classy and well made, my point by showing this rifle next to the one You made, was to compare the placement of the scopes.
The Gammes scopemount made the european way, to high and to far to the rear. They install the bases first , then mount the scope to fit the bases, without considering how the scope will end up on the rifle, or how it will fit the shooter.
You made clawmounts to fit the scope on the gun, placed to fit the customer - an enormous difference.

Applaude,

The craftsmanship is fantastic and my hat is off, but am I the only one who doesn't believe that clamping on the front bell with a scope ring is good for business?

I'd be reluctant to pic what I believe is one of the thinner walls of the scope tube to be clamping down on.

Looks nice for sure, but I wonder how well this arrangement would hold up.

Has anybody put this design to the test over the years?
Most of what I've seen these mounting design on are mere safe queens and rarely see more than a box of shells through them in a lifetime.
Just curious if you guys have any long-term experience on this subject for enlightenment????

Anything can be overdone..i.e. clamping the front ring. In over 30 yrs, I have never experienced scope or lens damage with such a set up...I have heard of it, however. Some use epoxy! I use a product that's called liquid electricians tape.. even on my 500 Jeff, the scope never moved

I saw a 1.5-5 Leupold that had th efront lens cracked due to some gorilla tightening Talley rings until both the front and rear rings had their respective halves touching. The front ring was directly over the front lens.

With any sane amount of torque on the ring screws, it would have been fine. Every screw in the rings was stripped due to over tightening and I had to drill them all out.

I have seen very old vetrans built between the wars that have seen hard useage with claw mounted scopes in fine condition.

Mr. Wiebe,

Can the liquid electrical tape be removed without marring the scope? It sounds as if that may be the case.

Do you have to get it at an electrical supply house or would Home Depot, Lowes, or an auto parts store be likely to have it?

Thanks for sharing this information.

Michael Scott

You should be able to purchase this almost anywhere...Lowes. Home Depot. local hardware store. Mentioned this business of scope/lens damage to Lee Le Bas...he does quite a bit of claw mounting. Seems it's sorta like the old legend of Eddystone receivers.."they shatter when dropped on concrete" Never saw it, nor have I ever met anyone who saw it...same with the lens/scope problem...the one exception is the Leupold 1.5-5...with tradtional mounting...be careful with torque! Anyway, Lee uses loctite 680...you must soak in acetone to remove, however. The liquid tape is just plain sticky when dry...can be removed without solvents, but you gotta really pull

I hadn't heard any conclusive evidence on either side of the fence until this discussion, but was merely drawing some of my own conclusions based on scope construction and the energys transferred to the scope in recoil.

I guess my only other question, with all other factors being equal; why would a person choose to have their scope mounted in this fashion?
Is it only cosmetics or is there something else I'm missing?
I suppose I could understand it if the scope did not lend itself to using the front receiver ring for mounting, but in the picture above, it's quite apparent, that's not the case.

Thought???

On a claw mount, the front ring must be placed pretty darn close to the front of the scope, since when the rear lock up is released, the rear of the scope pivots on the front hook(s)...obviously, if the front mount were placed too far back, the front of the scope would hit the barrel before releasing

So who makes the most aesthetically pleasing and bomb proof (big bore) claw mounts besides Duane?

I like Recknagel and AKAH..EAW is also good, requires a bit more fitting. Guess you probably figured out that the needed hardware is specific to the action and scope combo