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What kind of Oviedo was that?
08 May 2008, 07:51
MacifejWhat kind of Oviedo was that?
Was rooting around in the neighborhood gun cave today when I saw what looked like a 1917 commercial FN Mauser. Had no thumb notch, did have the stripper clip cut out. Has some clean but illegible crest and I believe the tag said something Latin on it. Sorry but between my rapidly fading near vision and the very dark store that's all I could see. The gun looked to be unmolested and was very clean.
What the hell was it and is it worth $125.00 on a C&R? Nope didn't get the caliber as I was heading out the door and the tag didn't say.
08 May 2008, 08:08
Don MarkeyHate to say, but any clean mauser is worth a buck and a quarter nowdays, especialy a FN.
-Don
09 May 2008, 00:13
MacifejSure but it would be interesting to know whether it was bastardized or not. I'm definately not the old Mauser expert.
One of the reasons I always have my digital camera with me is this type of encounter.
Difficult to say with so little information but I never heard of such a thing like 1917 FN since Belgium was occupied for 4 years..
Maybe a Modelo 1912.
Get it!
09 May 2008, 01:12
MacifejI'll head over and grab it. It had "1917" below the crest and no finger slot on the left side.
Why do you say it is a FN ?
09 May 2008, 01:43
MacifejCause the stooopid tag says so. It could be anything as I couldn't see the makers name. I'll go check it out and report back. It can't be anything too exotic or it wouldn't be $125.00.
Only german military adopted Mauser rifles had year of manufacture.
09 May 2008, 01:53
MacifejHmmm......I just sent them a request for more details. Should know more shortly.
Only 1917s I can recall seeing are on Oberndorf GEWs (often Turk-ed) which still have thumb cuts, and the US Model of 1917 - don't have one of the latter handy, but I am pretty sure they say that on the front ring, and lack a thumb cut.
Are you sure it wasn't an Enfield? That would definitely be worth $125 in my book. Of course so would any Mauser too.
Todd
09 May 2008, 09:04
MacifejNot an Enfield and much slimmer receiver profile. Definately no thumb cut. Serial number on the port side below the reciver cut out.
Crest on the top of the receiver with 1917 behind that. I'll be there tom. to pick up a SIG so will photograph the details and post here.
09 May 2008, 16:48
D HumbargerPhotos please. Photos.
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09 May 2008, 22:44
MacifejWill be over there in a couple hours and take some photos - post later in the day.
Thanks
10 May 2008, 03:51
MacifejA sporterized 1917 Oviedo in 8mm. The stock, and barrel match the receiver but have been altered from the original. Did this think originally have a bent bolt or was that a mod.?
10 May 2008, 03:56
El Deguelloquote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
Was rooting around in the neighborhood gun cave today when I saw what looked like a 1917 commercial FN Mauser. Had no thumb notch, did have the stripper clip cut out. Has some clean but illegible crest and I believe the tag said something Latin on it. Sorry but between my rapidly fading near vision and the very dark store that's all I could see. The gun looked to be unmolested and was very clean.
What the hell was it and is it worth $125.00 on a C&R? Nope didn't get the caliber as I was heading out the door and the tag didn't say.
Any FN-made M-98 type rifle in excellent condition with no thumb cut is probably worth a lot more than $125.00, just for the action....
HOWEVER!! That clunker is NOT an FN, it was made in Spain (Oviedo Armory) in 1917 and is undoubtedly an M93 or M95 type. Unless rebarreled, it is in 7X57mm caliber, and is one of the "weak" variety. Judging by the action, I hate to think what the bore is like. I would save my $125.00 for better use.
"Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen."
SR Spanish '93 or what is sometimes referred to as a Spanish 1916. Basically a '93 and NOT an FN.
The 1916's had a turned down bolt.
Aut vincere aut mori
10 May 2008, 04:03
MacifejBoat anchor or worth salvaging the action for a donor? For which load was this thing originally designed?
10 May 2008, 04:08
MacifejTag says 8mm but it also says FN!
What makes it weak? Design or material?
That action actually doesn't look bad.
The pre-98s in general don't handle gas as well as the 98's. The Spanish mausers tend to have heat treat issues. They run all over the board but I've seen many more that were soft than hard.
Aut vincere aut mori
10 May 2008, 06:18
craigsterSpanish Mausers were originally chambered in 7x57. I'd spend the $125 on something else.
Arent those smal ring large thread?
10 May 2008, 06:27
MacifejCan buy a complete like new M24/47 for $175 but it has that idiot thumb hole! Mostly I'm feeling like grinding and filing on something. Buying something new off the rack would be a lot cheaper than trying to make perfection out of something 100 years old.
10 May 2008, 06:48
craigsterquote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
Can buy a complete like new M24/47 for $175 but it has that idiot thumb hole! Mostly I'm feeling like grinding and filing on something. Buying something new off the rack would be a lot cheaper than trying to make perfection out of something 100 years old.
I have a 24/47 that's an "in the box" arsenal refurb from Big 5 that you can have for $150 plus shipping.
10 May 2008, 07:03
RojelioThe 93 Spanish while not top of the line like the Swedes and 95 Chilean can be made into nice little rifles.
I built this to get my grandkids started in 6.5x55. A 100 gr. ballistic tip at 2600 is very mild to shoot yet deadly on deer.
Rojelio
10 May 2008, 07:32
MacifejNice looking rifle Senor Rojelio. Did you do most of the work yourself?
10 May 2008, 07:50
RojelioMacifej, I did all the work. It's not top of the line like a lot of the guys here do and most of the components were cheap, but, it is very functional and 100% reliable and it will keep 5 shots right around an inch.
I built it with a 12 1/4 in. length of pull and all up it weighs 7 1/4 lb.
I have 2 grandsons that are both 8 yrs. old and they can handle it quite well.
Rojelio
10 May 2008, 08:01
ireload2Most of the Spanish 93s have a badly pitted bolt face and bad bores. Of the hundreds I have looked at I have seen one Oviedo with a decent bore.
I still look at Spaniards though because I have found a few made in Germany.
10 May 2008, 08:25
MacifejThe bolt face on this one is clean but I didn't loo at the bore cause I wouldn't use the barrel. If it was made in Germany would it not say so rather than Oviedo on the ring?
11 May 2008, 04:00
ireload2The German made 93s say Modelo Espaniol 1893 or some such on the left receiver wall and have a Spanish crest on the top of the receiver ring.
They are much nicer than the Oviedos.
11 May 2008, 04:27
MacifejSo what's the difference between the 93, 95, & 1916? Was thinking about grabbing one of these to test out my grinding, filing, sanding skills by hand.
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Originally posted by Macifej:
So what's the difference between the 93, 95, & 1916? Was thinking about grabbing one of these to test out my grinding, filing, sanding skills by hand.
Functionally they are all the same. The early 93's had a square boltface at the bottom, the 95's didn't. The 1916's had the added vent hole in the receiver ring.