M1999 L/H Long Action #'s as of 6/25/03

Dan,

You need to free up SN C03-0131 C.S. CSLM, as I have withdrawn my order.

Thank you,

Posts: 653 | Location: Juneau, Alaska | Registered: 09 February 2001

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CK,
I'm sorry you have chosen to withdraw your order. I realize that some mistakes were made by MRC and we own up to them. You should be receiving notice of credit on your card in your next statement. If you do not, please contact me immediately and I will remedy the problem.

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Dan,

I received a letter today from MRC. Thank you for your fast response and to your company.

I can say, you folks do what you say.

Thanks again,

Posts: 653 | Location: Juneau, Alaska | Registered: 09 February 2001

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Dan,

I received a letter today from MRC. Thank you for your fast response and to your company.

I can say, you folks do what you say.

Thanks again,

Thank you Chris, we have had a few growing pains but are striving towards correcting any deficiencies in the company or with the product. Unfortunately mistakes can happen in any business and I believe it is how the company who made the mistake handles it which will define them in the long run.

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Montana Dan, Just in case no one has ever told you people at Montana Rifleman, guns are designed to be deadly,are inherently deady can maim and kill if mistakes are made with them either in handling or flawed manufactureing defective parts sloppy assembly or all manner of carelessness. You don't want to make too many mistakes with them. You live long enough and you'll have known a few people who did't survive the first. I've known a few who didn't survive some one elses mistakes with a gun. The shipment of a defective barreled rifle action was not a mistake. When I called about the problem you were not surprised and the gunsmith you had me talk to knew exactly what was wrong with the gun. My brother in law is much younger than I with much less experience in the bussiness world and with manufacturing processes. I, after talking with you to order the product, quoted one price and charged another and having read much of what you have to say on this site don't have any where near the faith in your word that he does. I would't risk 2 cents on it, much less trust one of your products. Walex

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Montana Dan, Just in case no one has ever told you people at Montana Rifleman, guns are designed to be deadly,are inherently deady can maim and kill if mistakes are made with them either in handling or flawed manufactureing defective parts sloppy assembly or all manner of carelessness. You don't want to make too many mistakes with them. You live long enough and you'll have known a few people who did't survive the first. I've known a few who didn't survive some one elses mistakes with a gun. The shipment of a defective barreled rifle action was not a mistake. When I called about the problem you were not surprised and the gunsmith you had me talk to knew exactly what was wrong with the gun. My brother in law is much younger than I with much less experience in the bussiness world and with manufacturing processes. I, after talking with you to order the product, quoted one price and charged another and having read much of what you have to say on this site don't have any where near the faith in your word that he does. I would't risk 2 cents on it, much less trust one of your products. Walex

Ah, great to see you are on this post as well Walex! (NOT!) I wonder if you can find anywhere else to spread some sunshine... Surely there must be another post, where you could chime in. I can almost guess what the message would be...

Ah well, sigh...

- mike

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Walex,

If your right about the defects that you have pointed out then we all thank you. Mistakes are made all of the time and it's fortunate that someone as observant as you got the bad one. It's not only firearms that are dangerous and you know that too.

I suggest that you calm down and take credit for the discovery. Time will tell and we will get to the bottom of it.

As for myself I have two M 1999 SA's on order and I still look forward to getting them. I am not in a hurry and if we stay calm this situation will be corrected. Firearms like this are not really complicated devices and have been made here for centuries.

Having spent decades in purchasing and having made many trips to manufacturing facilities frequently with a metalurgist in tow I can assure you that we (USA) can do just about anything that we want to metalsmithing wise.

Take it easy. It will work out just fine.

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Hello everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that we received the rifle in question yesterday but unfortunately because I was in the middle of calibrating our prototyping machine I was unable to look it over until today.
Before we send it out to Tom Burgess, Bill Leeper and Jack Belk we felt that we needed to do an initial assessment of the rifle. Please note that nothing on the rifle has been changed or will be changed before any of these three gentlemen have had a chance to look it over. Here is what we found:
I function tested the rifle several times and while doing normal opening and closing of the bolt the shroud did not turn at all. But when I slammed the bolt back against the bolt stop the shroud turned 1 in every 10-15 times I did this. I believe the momemtum of slamming caused the shroud lock to fail. We also noticed that the fit between the shroud and bolt body seemed excessive. After checking it was determined to be within standard tolerances but was about .014" more than it was designed for. I believe that this could also contribute to the failure of the shroud lock in this particular rifle.
Overall assessment of this rifle was that it was safe without any real concerns about it prematurely firing while the bolt was being cycled.
I just spoke with Tom Burgess and he will be picking the rifle up today for his evaluation. After than I will be contacting Bill Leeper to do the same and then finally I will ship the rifle out to Jack Belk.
Like everyone else I will wait patiently for their findings and recommendations.
And finally I would like to thank CK and walex for discovering this and letting us know about it.
I believe our findings as well as the findings of Mr. Burgess, Mr. Leeper and Mr. Belk will do nothing but make our action even better than it is now.

Thank You,
Dan

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