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ZG47 rebarrel question
ZG47 rebarrel question
Guys,
My recently acquired ZG47 in 270Win has a barrel that shoots shotgun patterns...totally gone. So it will be rebarrelled in the coming months. Sort of decided to go the 8x68S route as Lothar Walther can supply a chambered and threaded barrel, I've found a source for cases and RCBS dies and its sort of different. Does anyone have any experience with pre-chambered/threaded Lothar Walther barrels? And what are the thread specs on the ZG47s.
Thanks...
Con
07 July 2004, 20:46
systeme98Con, Thread, Metric. M2 X 28 m/m, Nominal. Avg. Dia around 1.097 + or- and an M2 thd is 12.7 TPI.
Seems a great pity to have to open up a bolt face on such a classic action. Care to sell it to me?
11 July 2004, 00:18
<JOHAN>1894
No pitty at all
The Brno ZG-47 was offerd in 8X68S upon request.
Cheers
/ JOHAN
11 July 2004, 07:02
fla3006"Seems a great pity to have to open up a bolt face on such a classic action."
1894, I agree. Unless these great and scarce rifles are shot out or worn out, they should be left alone. Little to improve upon.
fla3006,
The idea behind the 8x68S is that the ZG47 was available in this caliber by special order. My barrel is indeed gone and the headspace is out as well. Hopefully the new 8mm barrel will get this great rifle back into the hunting fields doing what its been doing for the past 47 years. ZG47s aren't too rare in Australia, a dealer near me had a mint ZG47 in 270Win and Pecar scope come in a few weeks ago with the owner keen to sell.
Cheers...
Con
11 July 2004, 15:22
fla3006Con: If the rifle needs rebarreling, then by all means. I'd follow the contour of the original barrel and use the banded front and rear sights off the old barrel.
Regarding the 8x68S, I have comprehensive factory literature on ZG-47s and it does not list the 8x68S. Factory chamberings were 7x57, 7x64, 8x57S, 8x60S, 8x64S, 270Win, 30-06, 9.3x62, and 10.75x68 & 5.6x61 on special order. They also specify no cartridge longer than 3.33" (85mm). The 8x68S overall length is 3.38". I'm sure the magazine could be made to accommodate this cartridge but it may require lengthening.
ZGs were not imported in the USA, only 20,000 were made, most seem to have been exported to Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, RSA and Australia. Exceptional weapons.
12 July 2004, 05:49
fla3006The 8x68S is not mentioned in old Brno ZG-47 literature. Quoting from original Brno technical data:
"On request, a ZG-47 rifle can be obtained with a barrel for 10.75x68 ammunition, or 5.6x61 "Von Hofe", or any other rimless cartridge
the overall length of which does not exceed 3.33" (85mm). " The bold type is theirs, not mine.
It is possible the 8x68S was available in the ZKK-602, that magazine is certainly long enough.
Another quote from the same Brno literature:
"Of the above mentioned cartridges [named in my post above], the one that can be called universal and is best recommended is the calibre 8x64S. Its characteristics are high muzzle velocity, outstanding shooting accuracy and great stopping power."
Perhaps their is some confusion between the 8x64S & 8x68S?
12 July 2004, 06:31
<JOHAN>Quote:
The ZG 47 Rifle was made in 8X68S on a special order basis and I have knowledge of at least one such rifle. Fact is I had it in hand and was in the proccess of buying it when at number 99 the seller withdrew the gun from sale when he cottoned on that I got excited when I saw it.
Well
I have seen and used a Brno ZG-47 in 9,3X64 it's a factory made rifle and the barrels is original. I also know of a 404 Jeffery made for a "influential" person.
Cheers
/ JOHAN
12 July 2004, 07:07
fla3006Why didn't you buy it? I've also heard of a "factory original" 404 but no confirmation. I'm always hearing about special order, one of a kind rifles, etc. Most turn out to be alterations, if they exist at all, but not always.
12 July 2004, 07:40
<JOHAN>fla3006
The quote regarding the 8X68S is an older one by Alf. I know persons who traded with the East Block and the factories would make almost anyting within resonable limits.
The 9,3X64 had a factory stamped barrel. No rebarreld stuff
Cheers
/ JOHAN
12 July 2004, 09:08
fla3006Why didn't you buy the 9.3x64? Obviously a very rare piece, if original.
By the way, I just received an email from an acquaintance in Sweden who says he knows of a 6.5x57, another round not cataloged for the ZG, although available in the earlier 21/22s.
12 July 2004, 23:16
<JOHAN>fla3006
I might be able to
The rifle bellongs to friend of the family. It's in Africa for most of the time
I heard the talk too
Cheers
/ JOHAN