KRIEGER barrel identification

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10 January 2009, 19:45

burnttoast

KRIEGER barrel identification

What insigna does Krieger use for their barrels so as to identify in a used firearm situation? Pics would be VERY helpful, thank you

10 January 2009, 19:56

TC1

No insignia. It's stamped on the back of the shank when new but will be turned off if the barrel is installed. You'll just have to take the sellers word for it.

Terry

11 January 2009, 21:45

burnttoast

http://i21.photobucket.com/alb...drifter/100_3513.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/alb...drifter/100_3502.jpg

This is the only ID on the barrel

11 January 2009, 22:02

butchlambert

Kreiger cut rifle barrels are 4 groove. I believe their button rifled line{Criterion} is 6 groove. With a good bore scope you can tell a cut rifle from a button barrel, even lapped ones. Other people do 4 groove cut rifled barrels though.
Butch

12 January 2009, 05:18

burnttoast

ok this is what i've got and are the only markings

12 January 2009, 22:10

Marc_Stokeld

Actually, Krieger offers 4 or 6 groove barrels in their single point tubes. They say there is no difference in longevity or accuracy.

There is no way to identify the maker of the barrel. Why do you ask-are you thinking someone is lying to you?

Also, don't get hung up on Krieger barrels. Several other shops make equally good barrels. When choosing between makers, throwing a dart is a good way to pick the maker for a custom rifle. Don't get me wrong-I love Kriegers and have a few myself. Will buy more in the future, along with tubes by other makers.

12 January 2009, 22:16

Jim Kobe

That picture being as limited as it is, the first thing that came to mind was that it was a stock Remington fluted barre. How about a picture of the shank. Even then it would be difficult to identify it as a Krieger.

12 January 2009, 22:43

22WRF

Why wouldn't a good smith stamp a mark on the underside of a barrel to indicate what make of barrel that he/she installed?

12 January 2009, 23:05

TC1

quote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
Why wouldn't a good smith stamp a mark on the underside of a barrel to indicate what make of barrel that he/she installed?

I guess they could but I've NEVER seen one do it.

That doesn't look like a Remington factory fluted barrel to me. They use a 2 stage (can't think of a better word) fluting.

Terry

12 January 2009, 23:23

butchlambert

I've never seen a smith do it either.
Butch

12 January 2009, 23:49

wildboar

A few years ago I had a Lothar Walther barrel installed on a Ruger action. When I went to pick up the rifle, the gunsmith showed me the invoice of the LW importer, dated 2 weeks before, mentioning the right caliber and contour. I appreciated.

13 January 2009, 00:45

Jim Kobe

quote:
Originally posted by TC1:
quote:
Originally posted by 22WRF:
Why wouldn't a good smith stamp a mark on the underside of a barrel to indicate what make of barrel that he/she installed?

I guess they could but I've NEVER seen one do it.

That doesn't look like a Remington factory fluted barrel to me. They use a 2 stage (can't think of a better word) fluting.

Terry

Terry. I know what you are saying but I can't see all of the barrel either. I am not saying it is a Krieger or a Remington.

By the way, when I do a custom rifle, lately I have been engraving the barrel maker, twist and contour on the underside of it.

13 January 2009, 03:24

gasgunner

quote:
Originally posted by burnttoast:
What insigna does Krieger use for their barrels so as to identify in a used firearm situation? Pics would be VERY helpful, thank you

Who cares. Whenever buying a used rifle, buy it with the assumption that the barrel is shot out and will need replaced and pay accordingly. Yes, I know, every used rifle was only shot on sunday by a little old lady.

I serial number every barrel I install and from that serial number I can tell you when it was chambered, what make of blank it was, the twist, and just about anything else you need to know about it.

John

13 January 2009, 05:47

DFC

When a customer asks for a certain quality and maker, I cut a piece off the shank end the thickness of a half doller and give it to the customer with the rifle. I don't do it on regular Shilen or Wilson barrels, just on the high dollar barrels.

13 January 2009, 05:49

Toomany Tools

Only barrels I've seen stamped as to who made them and who installed them are a couple I took off that were installed by Alhmans. All three were stamped as Douglas along with the twist rate.

13 January 2009, 07:22

butchlambert

Hey Dan,
When did you escape to AZ?
Butch

13 January 2009, 10:20

burnttoast

How about these, appreciate the input

13 January 2009, 17:59

Jim Kobe

Well, that's settled, it ain't a remington and ain't no way to tell what make it is, for sure anyway.

13 January 2009, 18:03

Westpac

Those photo's really help clear things up. Yep, it's a barrel.

About the only thing you are going to be able to determine about that barrel besides the caliber and twist is if it's button or cut rifled. That's about it.

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13 January 2009, 23:33

J.D.Steele

I'm only an amateur but have installed a couple of hundred barrels of various types since the '60s. On the underside I always mark the chambering, date and my name, the barrel maker if known, and any non-standard features such as special groove size or special twist. For instance my personal 280 Mauser is marked Krieger, 0.285" bore, 1:9" twist, date & my name. One of my K-Hornets is marked Shilen, 0.224", 1:10" twist, date and my name while another K-Hornet is marked Shilen, 0.222", 1:16" twist, date and my name. Have seen only 2 other smiths who do this.
Regards, Joe

14 January 2009, 06:44

Stonewall

I've got a Hart barrel with "E2 6 PPC F.Pindell"
stamped on it.

Glenn

14 January 2009, 10:28

z1r

quote:
Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
I'm only an amateur but have installed a couple of hundred barrels of various types since the '60s. On the underside I always mark the chambering, date and my name, the barrel maker if known, and any non-standard features such as special groove size or special twist. For instance my personal 280 Mauser is marked Krieger, 0.285" bore, 1:9" twist, date & my name. One of my K-Hornets is marked Shilen, 0.224", 1:10" twist, date and my name while another K-Hornet is marked Shilen, 0.222", 1:16" twist, date and my name. Have seen only 2 other smiths who do this.
Regards, Joe

My customers would kill me if I put all that on their barrel.

14 January 2009, 17:47

jimmyd264

From my custom builds, the invoice tells me all I need to know for each gun.
I'm with z1r on this, no way I would want all that info on the barrel.

14 January 2009, 17:47

J.D.Steele

Well Mike, firstly I put it on the underside so it's not visible except when the stock's removed, and secondly they don't normally have a choice because

I don't wanta
I don't hafta
You can't make me
I'm retired (VBG)

Please don't take this as flames, it's just my feeble attempt at humor. I do often mark the caliber on the visible portion of the breech but not if the rifle will be engraved.
Regards, Joe

14 January 2009, 22:15

Boss Hoss

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Well, that's settled, it ain't a remington and ain't no way to tell what make it is, for sure anyway.

A good Smith could look at the lands and tell right away if it was a cut barrel.

14 January 2009, 22:31

22WRF

Obviously the person buying the work is going to know what barrel it is. The markings would not be for that person's benefit, but rather for subsequent buyers and receivers other than by purchase in due course, especially those who do not get a chance to find out the information from the original owner of the barrel.

Seems to be a selling point (e.g. it is worth more because it can be proven as to what it is).

14 January 2009, 23:59

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by Boss Hoss:
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Well, that's settled, it ain't a remington and ain't no way to tell what make it is, for sure anyway.

A good Smith could look at the lands and tell right away if it was a cut barrel.

Actually it's a lot easier if you look at the grooves.

And yes, it's pretty easy to eyeball and tell.

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