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Looking for good job on a Cooper bolt, maybe a few Remingtons's, who does this work? r in s.
 
Posts: 866 | Location: Puget Sound country | Registered: 18 January 2005Reply With Quote
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Gotta agree with Pegleg. Outstanding work and turn around.


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Posts: 3942 | Location: Kansas USA | Registered: 04 February 2002Reply With Quote
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Vaps did mine too, lovely work and fast turnaround.



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Posts: 19551 | Location: The LOST Nation | Registered: 27 March 2001Reply With Quote
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Glad to second all of the above for Vapodog. He did a couple for me, bolts that is and also the follower which turned out very nice indeed. Reasonable pricing, quality work and very good turn around time on the work. About all you can ask!!
 
Posts: 1165 | Location: Banks of Kanawha, forks of Beaver Dam and Spring Creek | Registered: 06 January 2005Reply With Quote
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Though asked to engine turn on a regular basis, I find some (like me) find engine turning monotonous. Here's an example of "frosting" can be as individual as handwriting...some hate it, others like it....would enjoy hearing responses.

 
Posts: 2221 | Location: Tacoma, WA | Registered: 31 October 2003Reply With Quote
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The frosting looks interesting, how is that done?
 
Posts: 36 | Location: texas | Registered: 25 September 2003Reply With Quote
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I don't know about that "frosting", but that oval shaped checkered finger catch on that bolt release is absolutely gorgeous.
 
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IIRC, Griffin & Howe offered that style on bolts at one time; that checkered bolt release is indeed handsome, as are the other examples posted.
 
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Thanks for the kind works folks.....I'm deep in a house building project and also somewhat behind on a .416 Ruger I need to finish but will do bolt jeweling again soon if folks wish.....I've had several PMs and thank you all.


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Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Gotta say that I dont care for the "frosting" Looks like it was done with an electric pencil. I guess I prefer more traditional approaches. It might have a place on a tactical rifle though. Have say that this is the first time I have ever seen this "frosting" Do you get many requests for it??


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Mr. Wiebe, although I am impressed by the work, I am just not that fond of "random". If it had a pattern, something like an even angle to the top and another angle back to the bottom, I would like it. I had a stainless barrel done the latter way once and it looked nice. Sort of like a cross-hatch.


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This is what I've found all along...about 50% like it and the others won't have it a any price!!..The method was passed on to me from Dale Goens and to him from Tom Shelhammer...real simple...you sharpen a 1/4" round stone, (arkansas, india, etc) into the shape of a blunt pencil. Put the stone in the drill press a moderate speed, then rotate the bolt body under the stone,,,the "point" will give a finer line and as you work up the point a bit, the line becomes coarser...the bolt body is jest hand held,,,tends to wander a bit, giving the pattern...yes, I do it a lot
 
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Duane,

I love it! Don't know if my reason is love of the look or the fact that I would rather eat hockey and go naked as jewel a bolt. Ick...


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Posts: 1633 | Location: Washington State | Registered: 29 December 2002Reply With Quote
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Roger,

I agree.

I prefer either a blued bolt or simply polished but the snail trails are definitely more appealing than jeweling.




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Put me in the same camp as z1r. I have a few rifles with the worm tracking, snail trailing, or whatever you call it. I like it, but no more than a nicely polished bolt.

Jeweling is another story. Nothing says "trailer trash" quite like a jeweled bolt. stir


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Posts: 5052 | Location: Muletown | Registered: 07 September 2001Reply With Quote
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When I was younger (and even stupider) I "surprised" a customer with the frosting treament...Boy was he ever surprised! Had to redo to engine turning! One thing, though...if the bolt body is marginal...lots of light pits, the frosting treatment really disguises
 
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I kinda like the frosted look. Here's a crappy pic of a frosted M70 bolt.

 
Posts: 6481 | Location: NY, NY | Registered: 28 November 2005Reply With Quote
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Byrd Pearson passed on his knowledge of frosting to me. The difference was a flat faced 1/4 stone @ high rpm with diesel as a lubricant. It looks a lot less like scratching. I'll try to post a photo. Duane, I still have a copy of the pic @ the 78 NRA show with you, Al Biesen, me, Monte Kennedy and Byrd Pearson. It's a crappy photo, but, as they say, priceless. I'll try to forward you a copy.
 
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I am curious as to how each of you that does jeweling does the polishing first?

Hey Mike, I think you told me you do it with stones, how about giving me a lead on where you get them and which ones are good. It is time to get back into the shop and play with the guns (weather nice, hotrod on back burner) and this is one of the things I need to play with.

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TLS: By all means, please post the technique and results...thanks Duane
 
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Put me in the no frosting camp


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I guess I really AM getting old. I definitely do NOT like the snail trails.

But, for that matter I don't like shiny bolts at all. I much prefer nicely rust-blued bolts.

If I had to have a shiny bolt, I would prefer it plain. If it had to have some alteration to its appearance, I would prefer properly done jewelling. When I say properly done, I mean perfectly indexed overlappiug swirls, both lengthwise and around the circumference of the bolt.

Brownell's used to sell a Foerster jig for exactly that kind of work, with click adjustments for the indexing, and a small tool which held screw-fed, grit-embedded, rubber jewelling tips about the diameter of a pencil eraser. Maybe they still do; I havn't looked lately since I bought mine in the late 1950's.

As far as them looking like trailer trash, well, the lock parts of many of my better class double rifles came with that finish from the makers, so I guess that's why I never associated a good jewelled finish with po' white trash.
 
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For the record, I didn't say I don't like jeweling. I said, I don't like doing it. A fine pattern, well executed looks better than a plain bolt to me.

That said, jeweling on high grade rifle and shotgun inner lockwork parts doesn't "OK" the use on all gun parts...Ever see a revolver with the hammer and trigger jeweled. Now that "is", in my view, the ultimate trailer park.


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For the record, I didn't say I don't like jeweling. I said, I don't like doing it. A fine pattern, well executed looks better than a plain bolt to me.

That said, jeweling on high grade rifle and shotgun inner lockwork parts doesn't "OK" the use on all gun parts...Ever see a revolver with the hammer and trigger jeweled. Now that "is", in my view, the ultimate trailer park.



And that is why they sell red cars, blue ones, and yellow ones. Everyone can buy what they like. And it doesn't make any colour superior to the others, nor the owner of one colour superior to the owner of another.

There is nothing wrong with good workmanship anywhere, IF it satisfies the owner.
 
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Let's keep one thing in mind...jeweling, frosting...they all cover cover up sins. I agree w/scrolcutter...Thank God you don't see jeweling on bolt stops anymore...To make a point...I had to remove/re engine turn a Beretta SO-5...Jeez...talk about crappy polishing...never saw it when factory engine turning was intact
 
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Thank God you don't see jeweling on bolt stops anymore


Amen!


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I kinda like the frosted look. Here's a crappy pic of a frosted M70 bolt.




see I think that looks cool, however the other pic duane posted looks like an electropencil gone hay wire


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