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Forget the cost action
22 January 2006, 20:36
Brent C.Forget the cost action
Okay, if money was completely irrevelant which CRF action would you use to build a very nice field rifle. I'm thinking of having a new rifle built using a Serengeti laminated stock and wondered what action everybody would use.
22 January 2006, 20:49
schromfI think the high end Legacy Arms action would fit that bill nicely, around $3K though.
I wouldn't use a Serengeti stock on it though.
22 January 2006, 21:05
djpaintlesI would like to try on of the WaffenFabrik Hein "N" series actions:
http://www.rifleactions.com/nseries.htmIn a Mauser style I would also really like to get my paws on a Prechtl action:
http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_DE/buechsenmacherbedarf_de/system_de.htmOther fine choices might include a Granite Mountain, Dakota, or Empire arms. With an open pocketbook, there are all sorts of juicy options....................DJ
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22 January 2006, 21:11
schromfquote:
Empire arms
I meant Empire not Legacy, brain fart on my part.
22 January 2006, 21:15
CustomstoxGranite Mountain Arms
22 January 2006, 21:18
Fish30114This may be the case with many, but you better be willing to wait on Empire... I have had a rifle on order--nothing fancy---for over a year now. Promised delivery was 4-5 months.
I can't find any info with a simple web search--haven' gone to super intense searching, but an action I have seen several times that is of extraordinary quality, and highly recommended by a gunsmith friend of mine is Prechtl. Exquisite!
Having said that the WaffenFabrik Hein is a more recognizable commercial entity, and their actions are nice.
I just read DJ's post--I see he mentioned Prechtl--like usual he's in the know.
I revise the foregoing to: What DJ said!
PS--unlike schromf, I would definitely use a Serengeti stock--they're doing 3 more for me right now!
22 January 2006, 21:49
DavidReedI am a dyed in the wool Winchester man... Both the pre-64 and the newer classic crf. I'd like to examine the current offerings from WFF Hein to see how they compare. However, I do have a soft spot for Mauser's and would like to have a rifle built using a Hartmann & Weiss magnum action... like a .416 Rigby.
22 January 2006, 22:02
KimRam considering having stuart satterlee build a 416R on one of his actions.
22 January 2006, 22:16
M 98i have had stuart satterlee built me a M 98 action...375H&H
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22 January 2006, 23:15
22WRFBrentC
Why don't you tell us a little bit more about it. Like for example, what you planned to hunt and where you planned to hunt.
By the way, a lot of folks talk about that Prechtl action. Does anyone here actually own one? Used One? Seen one?
22 January 2006, 23:19
vapodogIMO...one can spend a lot more money and not get a better hunting action than a pre-64 (or even a modern classic) M-70
I'd want it well stoned and adjusted however.
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23 January 2006, 01:27
rootbeerNesika Bay offers a multitude of actions in RH or LH, in chrome-moly steel or stainless, and with the port on whichever side you want. You can even have one that ejects the cases vertically downward. Delivery is 60 days.
23 January 2006, 02:02
22WRFRootbeer
He said CRF (Controlled Round Feed). I don't think Nesika offers those, do they?
23 January 2006, 02:08
djpaintlesThe Nesika's aren't CRF. They are beautifully made target actions, but might be a little too tight for a all around hunting rifle. They are nice though (I played with one last week)............DJ
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23 January 2006, 02:12
SDHSave some of your money and get a better stock.
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23 January 2006, 02:33
Brent C.What's wrong with Serengietti stocks?
23 January 2006, 02:38
GSP7Id like to see a side profile pattern blueprint of one of those Sarangetis. The seem almost sway back like a horse.. Ive just seen photos though...
23 January 2006, 03:21
JaywalkerI agree that the Serengetti stocks they picture sometimes look odd, with the heel rising above the comb.
They will, however, adjust the design to your needs. I spoke to them about a straight comb, a change in pistol grip curvature, and a palm swell - they were very receptive. Couple that with a stock that won't warp, and you have a pretty good handle for a rifle, IMO. At least until Customstox starts taking orders again...
Jaywalker
23 January 2006, 04:37
jimmyd223gnmkr, maybe you could give us a reason for "not" using a Serengetti stock?
23 January 2006, 04:50
GSP7How do you spell that , Sarangetis, Serengetti, Sahardeserties?
23 January 2006, 05:30
zimbabweI'm sure many will consider this heresy but I am currently having a 257 Roberts built and MONEY was no object. It is being built on a Mdl 70 Classic action which I believe is as good as anything available today period. It will have Blackburn bottom metal and the bolt handle has been replaced with a straight one. Here again as I've said many times a custom rifle is what YOU want it to be.
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23 January 2006, 06:03
WoodjackBrentC,
quote:
Originally posted by DavidReed:
... However, I do have a soft spot for Mauser's and would like to have a rifle built using a Hartmann & Weiss magnum action... like a .416 Rigby.
You did say cost would not be a factor, well like David I would go the H&W Magnum mauser. The Holly Grail of the premium M98 ivory tower(Just ask Echols, Fisher,Hagn). After I handled a few well built rigs using one of these, most things since have pailed into insignificance.
Price: just Under US$6000 per action.
24 January 2006, 06:24
army aviatorquote:
Originally posted by GSP7:
How do you spell that , Sarangetis, Serengetti, Sahardeserties?
You spell it Serengeti like in Africa. They are at serengetirifles.com. There is a post next to this one by 333OKH. There are several rifles stocked by Serengeti with pictures. Nothing but favorable comments about the owners; Larry Tahler and Rod Rogers. The Feb 06 Field and Stream at the top of the cover page is Petzal's Favorite New Rifle. Page 29 has an article and a picture of 3 of there rifles. I think the stocks look very normal. I have one in 376 Steyr built on a Montana barrel action that I just love. It is a stainless steel barreled action that has their serengeti treatment and has been Serecoted. It has a SS Bastogne walnut stock. The stock profile looks very much like the profile on my Dakota #10 only larger as it has a #4 profile barrel. The Petzal article indicates they have 8 different profiles. Actually, they have 9 if you consider their Manlicher stock. If one is looking for their low end they have a stock called a Zephyr that is fully finished for under $400 or under $300 if you are a dealer. They also have some new high end Turkish blanks for up to $2500 for the blank. You start as a customer; then you become a friend and maybe a hunting partner. I went on a Montana pronghorn hunt with them in 2004. I had a blast and shot 2 pronghorns. Hope to go to Africa together in a couple of years. These guys are down to earth hunters and shooters with a growing company. They are building my second one now using a Mini Mauser and a AAA English blank.
24 January 2006, 08:24
vigillinusagree with SDH. As to actions, pre-64 better than any handmaded 1898.
24 January 2006, 12:07
ColoradoMattGranite Mountain or Prechtle
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24 January 2006, 16:57
HP Shooterquote:
Originally posted by gnmkr:
I've been through this before and don't need to twist anybodies knickers, But the foward sloping comb is a BAD idea.
SDH
And as stated before, that is easily changed by the maker before finishing and delivery.....
24 January 2006, 17:34
mhoquote:
Originally posted by army aviator:
You spell it Serengeti like in Africa. They are at serengetirifles.com. There is a post next to this one by 333OKH. There are several rifles stocked by Serengeti with pictures. Nothing but favorable comments about the owners; Larry Tahler and Rod Rogers. The Feb 06 Field and Stream at the top of the cover page is Petzal's Favorite New Rifle. Page 29 has an article and a picture of 3 of there rifles. I think the stocks look very normal. I have one in 376 Steyr built on a Montana barrel action that I just love. It is a stainless steel barreled action that has their serengeti treatment and has been Serecoted. It has a SS Bastogne walnut stock. The stock profile looks very much like the profile on my Dakota #10 only larger as it has a #4 profile barrel. The Petzal article indicates they have 8 different profiles. Actually, they have 9 if you consider their Manlicher stock. If one is looking for their low end they have a stock called a Zephyr that is fully finished for under $400 or under $300 if you are a dealer. They also have some new high end Turkish blanks for up to $2500 for the blank. You start as a customer; then you become a friend and maybe a hunting partner. I went on a Montana pronghorn hunt with them in 2004. I had a blast and shot 2 pronghorns. Hope to go to Africa together in a couple of years. These guys are down to earth hunters and shooters with a growing company. They are building my second one now using a Mini Mauser and a AAA English blank.
Here is another Serengeti stocked rifle:
This is a M700 Varmint in .223 Rem, which after 10-15 years really needed some work. Our very own Jeffeosso provided a Bastogne blank with a lot of fiddle. The action was done over by Kirby Allen (who either posts here, or used to post here under the name "fiftydriver"), and the rifle was restocked in a Sako factory stock pattern with a modified foreend by Serengeti. Bottom metal is from Williams. Given that Rod from Serengeti posts here occasionally almost makes this a 100% AR rifle...
The barrel is a Krieger stainless in a M700 Varmint Factory contour. The Jewell trigger was already installed before the latest rework of the rifle. The scope is a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50.
Nice rig, I really enjoy the Sako factory style stock. The fairly steep pistol grip and in particular the palm swell makes it a natural shooter on the range.
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24 January 2006, 18:41
HP ShooterNice rifle, Mike. I agree about the Sako pattern stock. I used to have a 75 and I found the stock to be the best fitting, non adjustable stock that I have ever tried.
26 January 2006, 16:46
Jaywalkergnmkr,
No twisted knickers here
, but I am curious - how does a forward sloping comb differ from a montecarlo comb which slopes forward?
Jaywalker
26 January 2006, 18:12
jeffeossoMeself, I amno fan of the Serengetti stock patterns.. So this may be biased.
caliber not mentioned, but assumed to be a 3.4" round
action .. CRF, with cost being no constraint?
Mauser Type A or B
stock .. from the same
claw mounts and excellent stock
caliber -- that's up to you..
Modern CRF actions?
Mauser
Vektor
and, oddly enough, ruger m77 mII
jeffe
27 January 2006, 08:17
Gringo CazadorI'll stick with plain ole Mausers...........and keep spending my money on cute girls with big boobs.
Billy,
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(we band of bubbas)
27 January 2006, 10:08
flacoJudging from what I saw in Reno, the 1909 Argentine Mauser remains the Darling of the custom actions.
Or close to it.
Joe Smithson had a Tom Burgess 1909 action for a mere $2000.
Money aside, seems like one could do much worse than this.
flaco
27 January 2006, 18:20
MHC_TXI'm currently having a rifle built on a WaffenFabrik Hein "N" action. It will be a 375 and have a McMillian fiberglass stock (D'Arcey Echols pattern), island rear sight, bbl band front sight, etc. It will be what I call a "black rifle" (more of a tool than a work of art).
I currently have a Dakota M-76 African in 416 Rigby, but would like to have a 416 Rigby built on a Granite Mountain Arm's action with all the bells and whistles.