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Originally posted by Scrollcutter:
My understanding is that Brownell was associated with Ruger.

Jim Wisner worked up the design of the Kimbers

I think this thread has gone south of the original post. Chic was simply looking for a buttplate.

He was looking for a “buttplateâ€...and he found one! But without the “plate!â€

Maybe all the character assassination name calling would be better suited via PM. My dad always said opinions are like A$$holes everyone has one. Everyone has their opinion of the history/stories. Maybe even a few have first hand knowledge. Most probably don't. The man is dead what difference does it make now? What good does it do to throw mud at each other?

Ethics aside, without a patent, "inventions" are/will be copied. Same deal with copy rights. Not sayin' it's right, it's just the way it is.

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Originally posted by craigster:
Ethics aside, without a patent, "inventions" are/will be copied. Same deal with copy rights. Not sayin' it's right, it's just the way it is.

I’m really not sure what it is about a buttplate that makes it an “invention�????????????

We aren’t talking about a new design for a computer chip...this is a friggin piece of steel that gets screwed onto the butt of a rifle stock to protect the wood and hopefully look nice at the same time.

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Originally posted by Rick 0311:

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Originally posted by craigster:
Ethics aside, without a patent, "inventions" are/will be copied. Same deal with copy rights. Not sayin' it's right, it's just the way it is.

I’m really not sure what it is about a buttplate that makes it an “invention�????????????

We aren’t talking about a new design for a computer chip...this is a friggin piece of steel that gets screwed onto the butt of a rifle stock to protect the wood and hopefully look nice at the same time.

Well no shit! That was my point exactly! That's why "inventions" was in quotes. It ain't a friggin invention it's a friggin idea!

You two don't understand it because your not in the custom gun business. If you relied on the custom gun business for your livlihood you might understand it.

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Originally posted by craigster:

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Originally posted by Rick 0311:

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Originally posted by craigster:
Ethics aside, without a patent, "inventions" are/will be copied. Same deal with copy rights. Not sayin' it's right, it's just the way it is.

I’m really not sure what it is about a buttplate that makes it an “invention�????????????

We aren’t talking about a new design for a computer chip...this is a friggin piece of steel that gets screwed onto the butt of a rifle stock to protect the wood and hopefully look nice at the same time.

Well no shit! That was my point exactly! That's why "inventions" was in quotes. It ain't a friggin invention it's a friggin idea!

Brother, I knew what you meant and my response wasn’t aimed at you!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
You two don't understand it because your not in the custom gun business. If you relied on the custom gun business for your livlihood you might understand it.

First off, you have no idea what business I'm in. Secondly, I do understand it. FYI, I'm in the custom woodworking and remodeling business. My ideas and concepts are often used by other people in the same business. Does it piss me off? No. Why? Cause that's life in the little city and imitation is one of the highest forms of flattery.

Hey Rick,

Everytime I hear, use, or think of the phrase "well, no shit!" I always think of the wonderful fall I spent at the USMC's resort in San Diego. Our Senior DI loved that phrase.

Semper Fi brother!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
You two don't understand it because your not in the custom gun business. If you relied on the custom gun business for your livlihood you might understand it.

You are very correct...I don’t have a clue as to what is being “stolen“ when it comes to the shape of a rifle stock or the decorative embellishments on the finished product.

If a custom gunmaker has a registered trademark, logo, etc., and someone stamps that on a rifle to defraud a buyer or steal the guys business then I can understand the outrage.

But someone takes a buttplate and cuts a pattern of some sort out of the middle of it and now no one else is allowed to do that without being branded as a thief????????? You’re right, I don’t follow that logic.

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Originally posted by craigster:
Hey Rick,

Everytime I hear, use, or think of the phrase "well, no shit!" I always think of the wonderful fall I spent at the USMC's resort in San Diego. Our Senior DI loved that phrase.

Semper Fi brother!

It’s not as good on the internet though because you miss THAT look that went along with it and gave it true substance!

GUYS
those SKELETON plates were made by BRIAN HARRIE for DAKOTA...
Brian originates from NewZealand....i was there when he was making them!!!
daniel

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Originally posted by M 98:
GUYS
those SKELETON plates were made by BRIAN HARRIE for DAKOTA...
Brian originates from NewZealand....i was there when he was making them!!!
daniel

Well, do you have an idea why he isn' making them anymore?

If these things were profitable to make you would have every company out there pumping them out.

There’s only a few ways to make a metal part and doing it by hand is not real practical or profitable nowadays...and purchasing the machinery to do it requires either a really high price or a huge volume to justify the expenditure.

To me, putting a rubber butt pad on a beautiful wooden stocked rifle is like dressing up a beautiful woman in an evening gown and putting tennis shoes on her feet! However...I seem to be in the minority on that topic and I don’t purchase enough buttplates to keep even one guy in business let alone a whole company.

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Your absolutely right ramrod. I've deleted my posts and will do my best to refrain from being baited into this type of activity, Thanks.
SDH

"BAITED" give me a break, it all boils down to your holier than thou attitude.

Some people get very resentful when someone takes something that is available to everyone and does something with it.

Why don't you guys look in an old Brownells you may have. Whose name is next to the skeleton buttplate? Then look in a newer catalog.

I bet Brownells has sold many of these since the name changed. That's a lot of bread & butter.

I Talked to Stan, what a nice guy, didn't seem too worked up about it. Had other work to keep him busy. My origional hunch proved right. Still batting 1000 on my DA posts!

On another note, I looked at Brian Harre's actions at the SCI show. Too bad he's not still making them. Looks to me like he has much more than the causal clue!

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