Thought you folks might find this interesting.


http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/pgs_eng/etapes.php?codec=C007

Mike--I guess I only thought I seen the nicest springfield until now. Thanks for the photos.

Gar

Frogs have guns?

flaco

Superb in conception and execution.

Thanks, Mike, for posting this.

Vive la Springfield!

Slick! What's that contraption on top of it - modern scope made to look like a really old one, or a restored really old one?

Todd

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Frogs have guns?

and silencers...

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Originally posted by TMG:
Slick! What's that contraption on top of it - modern scope made to look like a really old one, or a restored really old one?

Todd

It's a typical external adjustment target scope, there were made by Fecker, Unertl and Lyman. Normally found on target or varmint rifles, not sporters. If you look around their site you will see other scopes like that for sale.

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Originally posted by flaco:
Frogs have guns?

flaco

If you had ever handled a Granger shotgun you would not have to ask

http://www.ggranger.com/Granger-guns-English/maison.htm

Absolutely superb craftmanship!

I think the 1903A1 label on the last picture is a misnomer. That's surely a 1903A3 action.

It's nice work. And a pretty unique .270.

You knew I was being facetious, Michael-

LOL.

flaco

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Originally posted by flaco:
You knew I was being facetious, Michael-

LOL.

flaco

YES!

GrandView:

I hoping that it's made from a Remington 1903 and not a 03A3. If it's made from a 03A3 I'll have to take back my comment that I have yet to see a sporter made on a A3 that I would want.

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Originally posted by Michael Petrov:


GrandView:

I hoping that it's made from a Remington 1903 and not a 03A3. If it's made from a 03A3 I'll have to take back my comment that I have yet to see a sporter made on a A3 that I would want.

Flat top tang....
Non-scalloped cutoff molding...
block recoil lug...
Left side receiver ring gas port...

All 1903A3 features.

With the exception of the flat top tang, the other features I find preferable to the 03's. With milled bottom metal and a good '03 bolt, they finish up nicely. Albeit with a bit more polishing than typically required on a nicer '03.

Michael,

Great link & super looking rifles!

Best Regards,
Dave

GrandView, OK, if you say it's a A3 I'll go with that, I have never had a A3 apart, normally I just run from them. I like the color case on the rifle. If I was having it made I would have had a few things done differently but nevertheless a nice rifle.

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Originally posted by Michael Petrov:
...I have never had a A3 apart, normally I just run from them.

Heh Heh.....it would be unusual for someone to spend the time on an A3 to build the rifles you're used to critiquing or acquiring, Michael. Unusual mostly because there still exists scads and scads of good '03 actions to work with.

As I mentioned previously, the only real complaint is the flat rear tang. This forces an upper grip line that drops quickly away from the action........much different than the graceful top tang of the '03. Compare this rifle's grip profile with any of those in your fine book. My favorites being Seymour Griffin's. The '03 tang is "domed", and comes out under the bolt sleeve in a graceful arc. The bolt sleeve almost "rests" on top of this tang. A look that I find much more attractive than the "gap" that exists there on an A3.

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I like the color case on the rifle.

Ditto.

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If I was having it made I would have had a few things done differently but nevertheless a nice rifle.

It's very unique.....both in style and chamber. There are two transition areas on a Springfield that carries the Lyman rear sight. The left side has the cutoff housing projection, the right the Lyman sight base. These two areas necessitate a rather wide area through the action, but you have to get there coming out of the slender grip area. Dorleac uses the G&H type vertical transition on the left side....but an arc from the Lyman sight on the right side. That's interesting.

Nose comb fluting on both sides, very open grip. Kind of a mixture of styles that I don't think of as pure "Continental". I think of a "balanced" stock as equal measurement from butt to front of trigger guard, and forend tip to front of trigger guard. This rifle's forend is much shorter than that.

It's a very nicely done Springfield. I'd love to know how much work was put into the action, and where the style/function/purpose ideas originated.

To be fair, I'm only interest in pre-1940 custom rifles so I can use that as a reason for not being into them.

Regardless what was used or when it was made a well made rifle is to be admired. I see they give credit to G&H for the front sight. It would be interesting to talk with whoever designed it.

what's the price?

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It's very unique.....both in style and chamber

Sporting rifles in France, cannot be in a military chambering. Hence 270 Winnie choice.

Keith

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
what's the price?

I have no idea but looking over their list of rifles for sale I'd say about 12K+.

Average prices seem to run about 11,000 euros for a custom rifle. At today's exchange rate (1.00 Euro = 1.40 USD) that comes to 15,400 USD. However, the usual pricing practice in France is to include the 18.75% VAT in the announced price. If the rifle is purchased for export the VAT can be recovered/deducted from the price.

Hi everibody,
I'm new guy on this site, and i'm french. I have the honnor of being one of Mr Dorleac friend. With his son, they are really great gunsmith who spécialise on hunting rifle british style or on very technical mountain rifles. They are also specialist of old Manlicher Schoenauer. And contrary to what some of you american guys think frogs have guns.I'm 50 now and shooting till 6. Believe me i think i saw more 03 Springfields (all models)than most of yhe US have seen. Why? the answer lie in history and two world wars which were fought on our soil and were these guns and others were involved.And lots (millions) of war relics were "lost" and found including M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Mausers, MP38/40, Thompson, Stens, even light machine guns. They are the nightmare of our different governments. And yes we can have "military calibers" in sporting or miltary guns but we need a special license that must be renew every three years. 10 years ago i had AR15,Steyr AUG, Sig 551 and others. But now i'm mostly a lever action hunter and long range bolt action shooter. And yes French have gunmaker. One of them Verney Carron dates back to year 1650 and they are manufacturers of all Hastings shotgun barrels sold in the US plus some spare for some of our companies. Not so far ago, even Winchester belong to french bankers, in fact it was the GIAT a government company manufacturer of tanks, cannons and so on who owned the Browning Winchester company.
Sorry for being a bit long but i you're interested by old world and France hunting and shooting i can answer you.
Best Regards
Hunter4570

Hunter, welcome to the Forum! You will be a great addition for educating us in the Francais shooting and hunting scene. Please, feel free to tell us more. I have visited your country many times on business and for pleasure, but never enjoyed the shooting.

Abiento,

... sigh ... simply lovely!!! ... sigh

the scope is a 1951 lyman in new condition.

frogs have and love guns, they like to hunt too.

I think the French are among Europe's most active hunters. They do make bloody good guns too. A Heeren rifle or a Mauser by Dorleac or by Alain Vaussenat is second to none. And neither are shotguns by George Granger or Christian Ducros anything but the best. There are other fine gunmakers as well.