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Did all 1909 actions have a crest on the top of the receiver? I have an action that appears to be all original except for the bolt. There are no scope holes and the finish of the metal on the top of the receiver ring appears consistent with the rest of the action and still in the original white. It has no crest on it. Thoughts? Wondering if I should have someone replicate the crest and if so, who? "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | ||
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I believe that all the military ones need. There is no value in putting one on if it has been taken off. Unless it is to you. | |||
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After some rifles appeared where they caused trouble for the government, they ground all receivers sold to open market . So yours was ground after that period of South American wars . I forgot what other country was involved . I'm leaning towards Brazil or Peru ? It stinks getting old , but beats the alternative! | |||
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Caused trouble? I can't imagine any DWM rifle of the period causing trouble. Those were the best made and finished military rifles ever made. That is not the reason for ground crests; All original 1909s have crests, and by Argentine law, exports had to be ground after sales to Paraguay caused embarrassment. Later when the US market started importing them, they left the crests on as they knew they were not for military use. Realize that the Argentines also made the 1909. Marked DGFM (FMAP). Should you have someone replicate the crest? Cost to engrave it back on will exceed the cost of a new receiver. It's your money; any engraver can do it, but it won't look original. | |||
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Looks like the scope base is going there then! "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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Do yourself a favor and have the front ring checked for trueness. Often, when crests were ground off, they were done nicely and sometimes even concentrically. More often, they weren't and they end up uneven, saddle backed even. Having the front ring ground to get a nice fit with a scope base is often times required.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Good point! thank you! "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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Dpcd the trouble I refer too were a governments weapons used against another country , causing unease in the government. Look it up , I would but am a little busy . | |||
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Never mind , here's the word for word and book , by argentine law , the crest was to be ground off those rifles and carbines sold to foreign buyers , due to embarrassing sales to Paraguayans during the Chaco war of the 1930s , however this law was later repealed and many of these weapons came into the United States in untouched excellent condition. From Mauser Military Rifles of the World, by Robert Ball , page 14 first paragraph line 7 . | |||
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Dpcd PM sent | |||
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That's how they caused trouble ! Never assume it's only related to strength . Trouble can be a head stamp on a case left behind , not cause it was inferior and blew up . Glad to see you have the same old books ! | |||
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I do have the same book; but I wrongly assumed you meant mechanical trouble. Not political, which was the case. You realize I never actually read posts before answering. Saves a lot of time that way.... | |||
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I guess we have that in common . | |||
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And here I thought that I was the only one to do that... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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