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C & R license and sporterized rifles?
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Can you buy "sporterized" rifles (mausers,springfields,etc) on a C & R license?
 
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Sure. As long as the date it was originally made was at least 50 years ago.
 
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As set out in the regulations (27 CFR 178.11), curios or relics include firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.


Found this quote off the ATF web site.
Better give them a call if you're not sure.
 
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I have been told that sporterized milsurps are not covered under the C&R regs. Note the last sentence, operative word being "ORIGINAL".

actSECTION II

FIREARMS CLASSIFIED AS CURIOS OR RELICS

UNDER 18 U.S.C. CHAPRTER 44

The Bureau has determined that the following firearms are curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 178.11 because they fall within one of the categories specified in the regulations.
Such determination merely classifies the firearms as curios or relics and thereby authorizes licensed collectors to acquire, hold, or dispose of them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 178. They are still "firearms" as defined in Chapter 44 of Title 18, U.S.C.

All Original military bolt action and semiautomatic rifles manufactured between 1899 and 1946.
 
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Sporterized = disqualified.

Must be in it's original configuration as manufactured/issued/rearsenaled during the eligibility period.

This is very clear in all the BATFE regulations governing FFL 3 C&R license.
 
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I would get an interpration directly from ATF...

You may want to read the entire list...

Did you know all pre-64 Model 70s are classfied as curios and relics

Here is the entire list on the BATF website which BATF says is not the complete list.

SEC. II: Firearms Classified As Curios Or Relics

Under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44

The Bureau has determined that the following firearms are curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 178.11 because they fall within one of the categories specified in the regulations.

Such determination merely classifies the firearms as curios or relics and thereby authorizes licensed collectors to acquire, hold, or dispose of them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 178. They are still "firearms" as defined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44.

Alkartasuna, semiautomatic pistol, caliber .32.
All Original military bolt action and semiautomatic rifles mfd. between 1899 and 1946.
All properly marked and identified semiautomatic pistols and revolvers used by, or mfd. for, any military organization prior to 1946.
All shotguns, properly marked and identified as mfd. for any military organization prior to 1946 and in their original military configuration only.
Argentine D.G.F.M. (FMAP) System Colt Model 1927 pistols, marked "Ejercito Argentino" bearing S/Ns less than 24501.
Argentine D.G.F.M. - (F.M.A.P.) System Colt model 1927, cal. 11.25mm commercial variations.
Armand Gevage, semiautomatic pistols, .32ACP cal. as mfd. in Belgium prior to World War II.
Astra, M 800 Condor model, pistol, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Astra, model 1921 (400) semiautomatic pistols having slides marked Esperanzo Y Unceta.
Astra, model 400 pistol, German Army Contract, caliber 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, S/N range 97351-98850.
Astra, model 400 semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, second German Army Contract, in S/N range 92851 through 97350.
Auto-Mag pistols, calibers .44 AMP and .357 AMP, mfd. and/or assembled by Auto-Mag Corporation, TDE, OMC, High Standard, Lee Jurras, or AMT from 1969 to 1985.
Auto Ordnance, West Hurley, NY, Korean War Commemorative Thompson semiautomatic rifle, caliber .45.
Auto Ordnance, West Hurley, NY, World War II Commemorative Thompson semiautomatic rifle, caliber .45.
* Auto Ordnance Thompson, cal. 45 semiautomatic rifle, Vietnam Commemorative, S/N's V0001- V1500, issued by the American Historical Foundation, Richmond VA.
Baker Gun and Forging Company, all firearms mfd. from 1899 to 1919.
Bannerman model 1937, Springfield rifle, caliber .30-06.
Bayard, model 1923 semiautomatic pistol, cal. 7.65mm or .380, Belgian manufacture.
Beretta, M 1951 pistol Israeli Contract, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Beretta, model 1915 pistols, cal. 6.35mm, 7.65mm, and 9mm Glisenti.
Beretta, model 1915/1919 (1922) pistol (concealed hammer), caliber 7.65mm.
Beretta, model 1919 pistol (without grip safety), caliber 6.35mm.
Beretta, model 1923 pistol, caliber 9mm Glisenti.
Beretta, model 1932 pistol, having smooth wooden grips w/"PB" medallion, cal. 9mm.
Beretta, model 1934 pistol, light weight model marked "Tipo Alleggerita" or "All" having transverse ribbed barrel, cal. 9mm.
Beretta, model 1934 pistols, cal. 9mm post war variations bearing Italian Air Force eagle markings.
Beretta, model 1934 pistols, cal. 9mm produced during 1945 or earlier and having S/Ns within the ranges of 500000-999999, F00001-F120000, G0001-G80000, 00001AA-10000AA, 00001BB-10000BB. The classification does not include any post war variations dated subsequent to 1945 or bearing post war Italian proof marks.
Beretta, model 1935 pistol, Finnish Home Guard Contract, marked "SKY" on the slide, cal. 7.65mm.
Beretta, model 1935 pistol, Rumanian Contract, marked "P. Beretta - cal. 9 Scurt - Mo. 1934 - Brevet." on the slide, cal. 9mm.
Beretta, model 1935 pistols, cal. 7.65mm, produced during 1945 and earlier and having S/Ns below 620799.
Beretta, M1951 pistol, Egyptian Contract, caliber 9mm parabellum.
* Beretta semiautomatic pistol, Model 92F, 9mm Luger caliber, slide engraved in gold "North Carolina Highway Patrol 60th Anniversary 1929-1989," serial numbers NCHPC 0001 through NCHPC 1313 inclusive.
Bergmann-Bayard, M1908 pistol, cal. 9mm Bergmann-Bayard.
Bern Arsenal, Experimental Gas Locked pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Bern Arsenal, Experimental 16 shot pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Bernardelli, model 1956, experimental pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Brazilian copy of German G43 semiautomatic rifle, M954, cal. .30, mfd. at the Itajuba Arsenal, S/Ns G43-1 to G43-95.
* British Enfield L42A1, bolt action sniper rifle, 7.62 NATO caliber.
* British Enfield No. 8 Mk.1, bolt action target rifle, caliber .22.
British "Enforcer" model Lee Enfield, bolt action Sniper rifle, caliber 7.62mm.
British "Envoy" model Lee Enfield, bolt action rifle, cal. 7.62mm.
British Lee Enfield No. 4, bolt action service rifle, cal. .303, in original military configuration, produced prior to 1958.
British Lee Enfield, Number 9, training rifles, caliber .22.
British Rifle No.7 MkI, cal. .22, bolt action, training rifle.
British SMLE XL42E1 Bolt action sniper rifle, cal. 7.62 NATO.
FN Browning, model 1902 (usually known as the model 1903) semiautomatic pistol, caliber 9mm Browning long.
Browning .22 caliber, semiautomatic rifles, Grade II, mfd. by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium from 1956 to 1976.
Browning, .22 caliber, semiautomatic rifles, grade III, mfd. by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium.
Browning .22 pump Centenary rifle.
Browning .22 semiautomatic Centenary rifle.
Browning Arms Company "Renaissance" engraved FN Hi Power pistol, cal. 9mm, 1954 to 1977.
Browning Auto 5, 2 Millionth Commemorative, Ltd. Edition, semiautomatic shotgun.
Browning FN "Renaissance" engraved .25 cal. semiautomatic pistols.
Browning FN "Renaissance" engraved Model 10\71 semiautomatic pistol, caliber .380.
Browning FN Challenger Gold Line and "Renaissance" engraved semiautomatic pistols, cal. .22.
Browning FN Hi Power pistol, caliber 9mm, marked "Browning Arms Company", with tangent sight and originally slotted for shoulder stock, mfd. 1968 through 1973.
Browning FN Medalist Gold Line and "Renaissance" engraved semiautomatic pistols, caliber .22.
Browning FN Model 1910 semiautomatic pistols, calibers .32 and .380, marked "Browning Arms Company".
Browning Superposed Bi-Centennial Ltd. Edition, shotgun.
Browning, "Baby" model pistol, Russian Contract, caliber 6.35mm.
Browning, Centennial model High Power Pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Browning, Centennial model 92 lever action rifle, cal. .44 Magnum.
Browning, model 1906 Pocket Pistol if more than 50 years old.
Browning, model 1922 pistol, cal. 7.65mm or 9mm Kurz, marked "C.P.I.M." denoting issue to the Belgian Political Police.
Browning, model 1922 pistol, cal. 7.65mm, bearing German NSDAP or RFV markings.
Browning, M1935 Hi Power pistol, Canadian, Congolese, Indian and Nationalist Chinese Contracts, cal. 9mm parabellum.
* Browning Hi Power, Classic Edition, 9mm caliber pistol, having S/Ns 245BC0001 through 245BC5000.
* Browning High Power D-Day Commemorative, 9mm caliber pistol, having S/Ns 245DD0001 through 245DD00150.
* Browning High Power, Gold Classic Edition, 9mm caliber pistol, having S/Ns 245GC0001 through 245GC0500.
Browning, Superposed Centennial, consisting of a 20 gauge superposed shotgun, supplied with an extra set of .30-06 cal. superposed barrels.
Budischowsky, model TP70, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .25 ACP, with custom S/N DB1.
Campo-Giro, model 1913 and 1913/16 pistol, cal. 9mm Largo.
Chinese Communist, types 51 and 54 (Tokarev) pistols, cal. 7.62mm.
Chinese, Peoples Republic of China, copy of German Walther PPK .32 ACP cal. w/Chinese proof marks, Type I and II.
Chinese, Peoples Republic of China, copy of Japanese Type Sigiura Shiki semiautomatic pistol, caliber 7.65mm.
Chylewski, semiautomatic pistol mfd. by S.I.G. Switzerland, cal. 6.35mm (.25 ACP).
Clement, pistol, Belgian manufacture, cal. 5mm Clement.
* Colt, Model 1911A1, cal. .45, semiautomatic pistols, Famous Generals of WWII, S/N's WWIIG001 - WWIIG200.
Colt .38 National Match semiautomatic pistol, all S/Ns and in their original configuration.
Colt .38 Special Kit semiautomatic pistols, mfd. from 1964-1970, S/Ns 00100H-00434H.
Colt .45 ACP Kit semiautomatic pistols, mfd. from 1964-1970, S/Ns 001000-011640.
Colt, factory engraved for "Dr. Ramon Grau San Martin," President of Cuba, .45 cal. pistol with 5" barrel and blue steel finish; S/N C231769.
Colt, "Duke," Commemorative, .22 caliber revolver.
Colt, Ace semiautomatic pistol, cal. .22, mfd. by Colt from 1931 to 1947, S/N range from 1 to 10935 including those marked "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" on the right side of the frame.
Colt, Ace Service model semiautomatic pistol, cal. .22, mfd. by Colt from 1935 to 1945, S/N range from SM1 to SM13803 including those marked "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" on the right side of the frame.
Colt, Age of Flight 75th Anniversary semiautomatic pistols, cal. .45.
Colt, Aircrewman revolver produced between 1951 and 1959, cal. .38 Special, marked "Property of U.S. Air Force" on back strap,having Air Force issue numbers of 1 - 1189 and in the S/N range 1902LW - 90470LW.
Colt, Alabama Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Alamo, .22 and .45.
Colt, American Combat Companion Officers model, cal. .45ACP pistol marked "1911 American Combat Companion 1981, 70 Years at America's Side."
Colt, American Combat Companion, Enlisted Man's model, cal. .45ACP pistol marked "1911 American Combat Companion 1981, 70 Years at America's Side."
Colt, American Combat Companion, General Officers model, cal. .45ACP pistol marked "1911 American Combat Companion 1981, 70 Years at America's Side." S/Ns 1 STAR, 2 STAR, 3 STAR, 4 STAR, and 5 STAR.
Colt, Appomattox Court House Centennial, .22 and .45.
Colt AR-15 Sporter "The Viet Nam Tribute Colt Special Edition" .223 cal. semiautomatic rifle, bearing the American Historical Foundation registry numbers of VT0001 through VT1500.
Colt, Argentine model 1927, pistols, cal. .45, commercial variations.
Colt, Arizona Ranger model commemorative, .22 Revolver.
Colt, Arizona Territorial Centennial, .22 and .45.
Colt, Arkansas Territory Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Army Model double action revolver, any cal., mfd. between 1899 and 1907.
Colt Army Special Model revolver, .32-20 cal., having a barrel length of 4'1/2", with factory engraving, S/N 329653.
Colt, ATF Special Edition, Deluxe model automatic pistol, cal. .45 ACP.
Colt, ATF Special Edition, Python Revolver, caliber .357 magnum.
Colt, ATF Special Edition, Standard model automatic pistol, cal. .45 ACP.
Colt, Abilene, .22 (Kansas City-Cow Town).
Colt, Bat Masterson, .22 and .45 (Lawman Series).
Colt, Battle of Gettysburg Centennial, .22.
Colt, Belleau Wood, .45 Pistol, (World War I Series).
Colt, Border Patrol model Revolver, .38 Special Heavy Duty, Police Positive (D) style frame, S/Ns within the range 610000 through 620000.
Colt, Buffalo Bill Historical Center, Winchester Museum, Special Issue, Colt Single Action revolver, cal. .44-40, S/N 21BB.
Colt, Buffalo Bill Wild West Show single action army .45 caliber.
Colt, California Bicentennial, .22.
Colt, California Gold Rush, .22 and .45.
Colt, Camp Perry Single Shot Target Pistols, .22 long rifle or .38 Special caliber.
Colt, Carolina Charter Tercentenary, .22 and .22/.45.
Colt, Chamizal Treaty, .22 and .45.
Colt, Chateau Thierry, .45 Pistol, (World War I Series).
Colt, Cherry's Sporting Goods 35th Anniversary, .22/.45.
Colt, Chisholm Trail, .22 (Kansas Series-Trails).
Colt, Civil War Centennial Single Shot, .22.
Colt, Coffeyville, .22 (Kansas Series-Cow Town).
Colt, Colorado Gold Rush, Colt, Colonel Samuel Colt, Sesquicentennial, .45.
Colt, Colt's 125th Anniversary, .45.
Colt, Columbus (Ohio) Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Custom Gun Shop's "Custom Edition Sheriff's model" Single Action Revolver, cal. .45
Colt, S/Ns 1 to 35.
Colt, DA .38, New Army and Navy Revolver, made from 1899 to 1907.
Colt, Dakota Territory, .22.
Colt, Des Monies, Reconstruction of Old Fort, .22 and .45.
Colt, Detective Special revolver, cal. .38, S/N 418162, owned by Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh.
Colt, Detective Special revolvers, 2" barrels, marked "R.M.S. P.O. DEPT" or "U.S.P.O. DEPT."; S/Ns above 467000.
Colt, Dodge City, .22 (Kansas Series-Cow Town).
Colt, European Theater, .45 Pistol (World War II Series).
Colt, First model, Match Target Woodsman, cal. .22, semiautomatic pistol, mfd. from 1938 to 1944, S/Ns MT1 to MT15,000.
Colt, Florida Territory Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Fort Findlay (Ohio) sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Fort Hays, .22 (Kansas Series-Forts).
Colt, Fort Larned, .22 (Kansas Series-Forts).
Colt, Fort McPherson (Nebraska) Centennial Derringer, .22.
Colt, Fort Scott, .22 (Kansas Series-Forts).
Colt, Fort Stephenson (Ohio) sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Fourth model Derringer, cal. .22 short rimfire, cased as a set of two pistols in a leather book titled "Colt Derringer, Limited Edition Colt, General George Meade, Pennsylvania , by Colt," on the spine of the book and "A Limited Edition by Colt," on the cover.
Colt, Forty-Niner Miner, .22.
Colt, General George Meade, Pennsylvania Campaign, .22 and .45.
Colt, General Hood, Tennessee Campaign Centennial, .22.
Colt, General John Hunt Morgan, Indiana Raid, .22.
Colt, General Nathan Bedford Forrest, .22.
Colt, Geneseo (Illinois) 125th Anniversary, Derringer, .22.
Colt, Golden Spike Centennial, .22.
Colt, Government model pistols in cal. .45 ACP, BB series.
Colt, H. Cook, "1 to 100," .22/.45.
Colt, Idaho Territorial Centennial, .22.
Colt, Indiana Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, J frame, Officers model Match, .38 Special revolver mfd. from 1970-1972, identified by J S/N prefix.
Colt, Joaquin Murrieta, "1 of 100," .22/.45.
Colt, John M. Browning Commemorative, .45 cal., semiautomatic pistol, S/Ns JMB 0001 - JMB 3000, and numbers GAS O JMB, PE CEW JMB, and 0003JMB.
Colt, John Wayne, Commemorative, .45 long Colt caliber revolver.
Colt, Kansas Centennial, .22.
Colt, Lightning model double action revolver, any cal. mfd. between 1899 and 1909.
Colt, Lightning rifles mfd. in 1899 through 1904.
Colt, Lord and Lady Derringer, .22 cal., as mfd. by Colts Patent Firearms Manufacturing Co., Hartford, CT.
Colt, Los Angeles Police Department (L.A.P.D.) Special Edition .45 cal. Government model semiautomatic pistol.
Colt, Maine Sesquicentennial, .22 and .45.
Colt, Mark IV, Government Model, commemorative "Michigan State Police 60th Anniversary, 1917-1977". The left side of slide engraved with scroll pattern and depicts 4 modes of transportation; Horse, Motorcycle, Auto and Helicopter, S/Ns 1 to 1608.
Colt, Match Target Woodsman Semiautomatic Pistol, cal. .22LR., S/N 128866S, owned by Ernest Hemingway.
Colt, Meuse Argonne, .45 Pistol, (World War I Series).
Colt, Missouri Sesquicentennial single action army .45 caliber.
Colt, Missouri Sesquicentennial, .22.
Colt, Mk IV Series 70 semiautomatic pistols in all cals., which were incorrectly marked at the factory with both Colt Government model markings and Colt Commander markings.
Colt, model 1873 Peacemaker Centennial 1973, single action revolver, .44/.40 or .45.
Colt, model 1900 semiautomatic pistol, cal. .38, in original configuration.
Colt, model 1902 semiautomatic pistol, military model, cal. .38, in original configuration.
Colt, model 1902 semiautomatic pistol, sporting model, cal. .38, in original configuration.
Colt, model 1903 Pocket (exposed hammer), semiautomatic pistol cal. .38 ACP.
Colt, model 1903 Pocket (hammerless), semiautomatic pistol, cal. .32.
Colt, model 1908 Pocket (hammerless), semiautomatic pistol, cal. .380.
Colt, model 1908, cal. .25 ACP, hammerless semiautomatic pistol, having a grip safety, in S/N range 1 - 409061.
Colt, model 1911, commercial semiautomatic pistols, cal. .45 ACP, S/Ns Cl - C130000.
Colt, model 1911-A, commercial model, in cal. .45 and bearing Egyptian inscription meaning police, on the upper forward right-hand side of the trigger guard and having S/Ns within the range of C186000 to C188000.
Colt, 50th Anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge, Model 1911A1, .45 caliber, semiautomatic pistol, having serial numbers between BB001 and BB300.
Colt, Montana Territory Centennial, .22 and .45.
Colt, National Match semiautomatic pistols, all serial numbers, in original configuration.
Colt, Nebraska Centennial, .22.
Colt, Ned Buntline Commemorative, cal. .45 revolver.
Colt, Nevada Centennial "Battle Born," .22 and .45.
Colt, Nevada Centennial, .22. and .45.
Colt, New Frontier .22 LR Revolvers, "Kit Carson" Commemorative, Colt model GB275.
Colt, New Frontier and Single Action Army model revolvers originally ordered & shipped with factory engraving, accompanied by a letter from the manufacturer confirming the authenticity of the engraving.
Colt, New Frontier, .357 magnum cal., single action revolver, barrel length 4-3/4" S/N 4411NF.
Colt, New Frontier, .45 cal., Abercrombie and Fitch, "Trailblazer."
Colt, New Jersey Tercentenary, .22 and .45.
Colt, New Mexico Golden Anniversary, .22.
Colt, New Police revolvers, .32 Colt cal., S/Ns 1 through 49,50.
Colt, New Service revolvers as mfd. between 1899 - 1944, all variations, all calibers.
Colt, NRA Centennial, Gold Cup National Match pistol, in cal. .45.
Colt, NRA Centennial, single action revolver, in cals. .357 Magnum and .45.
Colt, Officers model (1904-1930), .38 cal. revolver.
Colt, Officers model (1930-1949), .22 cal. revolver.
Colt, Officers model Match (1953-1969), .22 and .38 cal. revolvers.
Colt, Officers model Special (1949-1952), .22 and .38 cal. revolvers.
Colt, Officers model Target (1930-1949), .32 and .38 cal.revolvers.
Colt, Officer's Model, .38 caliber revolver, serial number 535472, 585683.
Colt Official Police Model revolver, cal. .32-20, having a barrel length of 5 inches, with factory engraving by Wilbur Glahn, S/N 554399.
Colt Official Police Model revolver, .38 Colt Special cal., having a barrel length of 6 inches, with factory engraving by Wilbur Glahn, S/N 554445.
Colt, Official Police Revolver, cal. .38, Silver Inlaid and Engraved by Wilbur A. Glahn, S/N 583469.
Colt, Oklahoma Territory Diamond Jubilee, .22.
Colt, Oregon Trail, .22 (Kansas Series-Trails).
Colt, Pacific Theater, .45 Pistol (World War II Series).
Colt, Pat Garrett, .22 and .45 (Lawman Series).
Colt, Pawnee Trail, .22 (Kansas Series-Trails).
Colt, Peacemaker Commemorative, .22 and .45 revolver.
Colt, Pocket Positive revolver, .32 cal.
Colt, Pocket Positive revolver, S/N 6164.
Colt, Police Positive .38 cal. revolvers, 2" barrels, marked "R.M.S. P.O. DEPT." or "U.S.P.O. DEPT."; S/Ns above 383000.
Colt, Police Positive revolver (1909); "St. L.P.D. #466" on butt; S/N 24466.
Colt, Pony Express Centennial, .22.
Colt, Pony Express, Russell, Majors and Waddell, Presentation model .45.
Colt, Python Model revolver, .357 cal., having a barrel length of 3 inches, with factory Type A engraving by Denise Thirion, in a presentation case with accessories, S/N T21895.
Colt, Python Revolver, cal. .357 Magnum, engraved and inlaid with the Crest of the United Arab Emirates.
Colt, Revolver, cal. .38, Police Positive, S/N 139212.
Colt, Rock Island Arsenal Centennial Single Shot, .22.
Colt, Santa Fe Trail, .22 (Kansas Series-Trails).
Colt model San Jacinto Special edition single action army revolver, .45 caliber, marked "THE BATTLE OF SAN JACINTO, APRIL 21, 1836" and "REMEMBER GOLIAD", 200 produced.
Colt, Second (2nd) Marne, .45 Pistol (World War I Series).
Colt, Shawnee Trail, .22 (Kansas Series-Trails).
Colt, Sheriffs model revolver, cal. .44 and .45.
Colt, Single Action Army (Bisley, Standard, and target variations), all original, mfd. from 1899 to 1946, S/N range from 182000 to 357869.
Colt, Single Action Army revolver, cal. .45, S/N 85163A, engraved and inlaid with a bust of President Abraham Lincoln.
Colt, Single Action Revolvers, cal. .45, engraved & silver inlaid for presentation to Chuck Connors, S/Ns CC1 and CC2.
Colt, St. Augustine Quadricentennial, .22.
Colt, St. Louis Bicentennial, .22 and .45. Colt Government model Texas Battleship Special Edition, .45 caliber pistols marked "BATTLESHIP EDITION - USS TEXAS", 500 produced.
Colt, Texas Ranger, .45.
Colt, Texas Sesquicentennial Standard and Premier model single action army, .45 cal.
Colt, the Liege Number 1 Colt Single Action Army Revolver, cal. .45, S/N Liege No. 1.
Colt, "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms" commemorative, .22 cal. Peacemaker Buntline, single action revolver having a 7-1/2" barrel with the inscription, "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms" inscribed on the barrel and a S/N range of G0001RB - G3000RB.
Colt, Theodore Roosevelt single action army .44-40 cal.
Colt, United States Bicentennial Commemorative, Python revolver, caliber .357.
Colt, United States Bicentennial Commemorative single action army revolver cal. .45.
Colt, West Virginia Centennial, .22 and .45.
Colt, Wichita, .22 (Kansas Series-Cow Town).
Colt, Wild Bill Hickok, .22 and .45 (Lawman Series). Colt model Wisconsin State Patrol, 45th Anniversary, Special Edition Commemorative, 70 series, .45 government model pistols, consecutively numbered 1 through 126.
Colt, Woodsman, cal. .22, semiautomatic target pistol, mfd. from 1915 to 1943, S/Ns 1 to 157000.
Colt, Woodsman, First Model Match Target, .22 cal. semiautomatic pistols mfd. in or before 1944, and having S/Ns MT1 through MT15100.
Colt, Wyatt Earp, .22 and .45 (Lawman Series).
Colt, Wyatt Earp, Buntline Special, .45 (Lawman Series).
Colt, Wyoming Diamond Jubilee, .22 Colt XIT Special Edition Single Action Army revolver, .45 caliber, barrel chemically etched with a covered wagon scene and "XIT RANCH", and marked "1 of 500".
Colt, 150th Anniversary single action army buntline, .45 cal.
Czechoslovakian, CZ27, 7.65mm semiautomatic pistol with Nazi markings.
Czechoslovakian, CZ38, pistol cal. .380ACP.
Czechoslovakian, CZ50 pistol, cal. 7.65mm.
Czechoslovakian, CZ52 pistol, cal. 7.62mm.
Czechoslovakian, model 1952 and 1952/57, 7.62 x 45mm and 7.62 x 39mm cal., semiautomatic rifles.
Danish, M1910/1921 Bayard, pistol, cal. 9mm Bergmann-Bayard.
Davis Warner, Infallible, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .32.
Dreyse, semiautomatic pistols, all calibers.
Egyptian Raschid, semiautomatic rifle, cal. 7.62 x 39mm, original Egyptian military production.
Egyptian, Hakim (Ljungman) 7.92mm semiautomatic rifle as mfd. in Egypt. Erma-Werke, Model EL 24, cal. .22, rifle, mfd. prior to 1946.
Esser-Barraft, English manufacture, slide action rifle, cal. .303.
Fabrique Nationale 1889-1989 Centenary High Power pistols, cal. 9mm.
Fabrique Nationale, Model 1906, .25 caliber semiautomatic pistol, all serial numbers.
Fabrique Nationale, model SAFN49 semiautomatic rifles, any caliber.
FN F.A.L. G and GL series, semiautomatic rifles, imported by Browning Arms Company, Arnold, MO from 1959 to 1963, with the following S/Ns: G Series: G492, G493, G494, G537- G540, G649-G657, G662-G673, G677-G693, G709-G748, G752-G816, G848-G1017, G1021, G1033, G1035, G1041, G1042, G1174-G1293, G1415-G1524, G1570-Gl784, G1800-Gl979, G1981- G1995, G2247-G2996, G3035-G3134. GL Series: GL749, GL835, GL1095-GL1098, GL1163, GL1164, GL1165, GL2004-GL2009, GL3135-GL3140. French Military Rifle Model 1949/56, in 7.62 x 51mm (NATO) cal. French, model 1949, cal. 7.5mm, semiauto. rifle (Fusil Mle. 1949 (MAS) 7.5mm).
French, model 1949/56 (Fusil Mle (MAS 7.5mm)) semiautomatic rifle.
* A.H. Fox, Double barrel shotguns, all gauges, all grades, mfd. By Ansley H. Fox, Philadelphia, PA, and Savage Arms, Utica, NY, from approx. 1907 - 1947.
Geha and Remo, shotguns made from Mauser rifles after World War I prior to 1946.
German military training rifles, cal. .22, single shot and repeaters, all manufacturers, in their original military configuration, marked "Kleinkaliber Wehersportsgewehr" (KKW), mfd. prior to 1946.
German sporting rifles, cal. .22, sporting rifles, single shot and repeaters, all manufacturers, in original configuration, marked "Deutsche Sportmodell" (DSM), prior to 1946.
German, model 1916 Grenatenwerfer original spigot type mortars.
German, P38 pistols, cal. 9mm parabellum mfd. prior to 1947.
Greener, Martini action, 14 gauge shotgun.
Gustloff, semiautomatic pistol in cal. 7.65mm mfd. by Gustloff Werke, Suhl, Germany.
Hammond or Grant Hammond, pistols, all models, variations or prototypes, made by Grant Hammond Corporation, New Haven, CT.
Hammond/Hi-Standard, semiautomatic pistols, in caliber .45.
* Harrington and Richardson "Reising" Model 60 semiautomatic rifles, .45 ACP caliber, manufactured between 1944 and 1946.
Harrington and Richardson (H&R), Abilene Anniversary, .22 revolver.
Harrington and Richardson (H&R) Handy Gun, pistols with original rifled barrel, mfd. at Worcester, MA, all calibers, all barrel lengths, without shoulder stock.
Harrington and Richardson (H&R) Handy guns, mfd. at Worcester, MA, with shoulder stock, having an original smoothbore barrel 18 inches in length or greater, or original rifled barrel 16 inches in length or greater.
H&R, Centennial Officer's model Springfield rifle .45-70 Government.
H&R, Centennial Standard model Springfield rifle .45-70 Government.
H&R, model 999, revolver, cal. 22 Long rifle, barrel 6", 110th year commemorative, S/Ns from 001 to 999.
H&R, self loading semiautomatic pistol, caliber .32.
Hartford Arms and Equipment Company, single shot target pistol, caliber .22LR.
Hartford Arms and Equipment Company, repeating pistol, cal. .22LR.
Hartford Arms and Equipment Company, model 1928 pistol, cal. .22LR.
Hi-Standard, experimental electric free pistol, cal. .22 long rifle.
Hi-Standard, experimental electric free pistol, cal. .38 special.
Hi-Standard, experimental electric free pistol, cal. .38 special.
Hi-Standard, model P 38, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .38 SPL.
Hi-Standard, experimental model T-3 semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm Luger.
Hi-Standard, experimental ISU rapid fire semiautomatic pistol, caliber .22 short.
* High Standard, Second Model Olympic pistol, cal. .22 short, mfd. between 1951 - 1953,
S/N's 330,000 - 439,999.
High Standard, Crusader Commemorative, Deluxe Pair, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt revolvers.
High Standard, model A pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model B pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model C pistol, caliber .22 Short.
High Standard, model D pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model E pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model H-A pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model H-B pistol, first model, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model H-B pistol, second model, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model H-D pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model H-E pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model USA-HD pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model HD-Military pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model G-380 pistol, caliber .380.
High Standard, model G-B pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model G-D pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model G-E pistol, caliber .22LR.
High Standard, model G-O (First model Olympic) pistol, caliber .22 Short.
High Standard, Supermatic Trophy model 107, .22 pistol Olympic Commemorative model.
High Standard, 1980 Olympic Commemorative, .22 caliber semiautomatic pistols, S/Ns USA1 -
USA1000.
Holland and Holland, Royal Double Barrel Shotgun, .410 Gauge, S/N 36789.
Hopkins and Allen, model 1901, "FOREHAND," caliber .32 S&W long.
Hopkins and Allen, Revolver, .32 cal., S/N G 9545.
* Hungarian Model 48 (Mosin Nagant M44 type) carbine, caliber 7.62 X 54R, manufactured in Hungary, and identified by the manufacturer code 02 on the chamber area and marked with the date of manufacture in the 1950's or earlier.
Italian, Brixia, M1906, pistol, cal. 9mm Glisenti.
Italian, Glisenti, M1910, pistol, cal. 9mm Glisenti.
Ithaca, double barrel shotguns actually mfd. in NY by the Ithaca Gun Co. Ithaca, NY. All gauges and all models, having barrels at least 18" in length and an overall length of at least 26", mfd. before 1950.
Ithaca Gun Co., single barrel trap guns, break open all gauges, all models actually mfd. at Ithaca, NY, before 1950.
Ithaca, St. Louis Bicentennial, model 49, .22 rifle.
Iver Johnson Arms, Pistol, cal. .380, U.S. Border Patrol 60th Anniversary commemorative, serial USBP 0001 to USBP 5000.
Iver Johnson Arms, model M 1 Carbine, cal. .30, Korean War commemorative, S/Ns KW0001 to KW2500.
Iver Johnson Arms, model M 1 Carbine, cal. .30, Airborne commemorative, S/Ns KW0001 - KW2500.
Jieffeco, pistol, Belgian manufacture, caliber 7.65mm.
Jieffeco, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .25 ACP, marked "Davis Warner Arms Corp., N.Y."
Kimball, pistols, all models, all calibers.
Kolibri, pistols, cals. 2.7mm and 3mm Kolibri.
L. C. Smith, Shotguns mfd. by Hunter Arms Co. and Marlin Firearms Co. from 1899 to 1971.
Langenhan, semiautomatic pistols, all calibers.
Lahti, L-35 pistol, Finnish manufacture, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Lahti Swedish Model M40 pistols, cal. 9mm, all variations, mfd. prior to 1968.
* Lee Enfield, No. 1 Mk III bolt action rifle, cal. .303, mfd. in Ishapore, India between 1946 and 1960.
Original military configuration only.
Lefever, shotguns made from 1899 to 1942.
* Luger, Model 1902 Cartridge Counter, Mauser commercial, semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm, mfd. 1982.
Luger, pistol, all models and variations mfd. prior to 1946.
Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 70 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Kelsoreich Russiand, commemorative, cal. 9mm.
Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 76 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, 1900- 1975, commemorative, cal. 7.65mm.
Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 75 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Konigreich Bulgarian, commemorative, caliber 7.65mm.
Luger, Mauser Parabellum, semiautomatic pistol, 7.65mm or 9mm Luger, 4 and 6" barrel, Swiss pattern with grip safety and the American Eagle stamped on the receiver; made from 1970 to 1978.
MAB, model R pistol, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Makarov, pistol, Russian and East German, caliber 9mm Makarov.
Mannlicher, pistol, M1900, M1901, M1903 and M1905, caliber 7.63mm Mannlicher.
Marlin, Model 336 TS carbine, cal. 30-30, Powell Wyoming 75th anniversary commemorative, having PW S/N prefix.
Marlin, 90th Anniversary, model 39-A, .22 rifle.
Marlin, 90th Anniversary, model 39-A, .22 carbine.
Mauser, semiautomatic pistols mfd. prior to 1946, any caliber.
Mauser, Congolese model 1950 rifles marked FP 1952 on the receiver, caliber .30/06.
Mauser, model 1935 rifle 7 x 57mm cal. with Chilean Police Markings.
Mauser, P 38, pistols caliber 9mm, marked SVW46.
Mauser, rifles, bolt action and semiautomatic any caliber, commercially produced by Waffenfabrik Mauser, Oberndoff, Germany prior to 1945.
MBA Gyrojet Carbine, S/N B5057.
MBA Gyrojet semiautomatic pistols, cal. 12mm or smaller, all models.
Menz, Liliput, German manufacture caliber 4.25mm.
Menz, PB III, in cal. 7.65mm, mfd. by August Menz, Suhl, Germany.
Menz, PB IIIA, in cal. 7.65mm, mfd. by August Menz, Suhl, Germany.
Menz, PB IV, in cal. 7.65mm, mfd. by August Menz, Suhl, Germany.
Menz, PB IVa, in cal. 7.65mm, mfd. by August Menz, Suhl, Germany.
Menz, Special, in cal. 7.65mm, mfd. by August Menz, Suhl, Germany.
Mexican, Obregon, pistol, caliber .45 ACP.
Mexican Model 1954 bolt action Mauser rifles and carbines, caliber .30-06 (original military configuration only).
* Mossberg, Model 40, cal. .22 tubular fed, bolt action rifles mfd. From 1933-1935.
* Mossberg, Model 42TR Targo, cal. .22 smoothbore, bolt action rifles, mfd. From 1940-1942.
* Mossberg, Model 479RR "Roy Rogers" limited edition, cal. .30-30 lever action rifles, total number mfd. In 1983 only.
Mossberg, Model 25, .22 caliber bolt action rifles.
Mugica, model 120, pistol, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Navy Arms, Oklahoma Diamond Jubilee Commemorative, Yellow Boy Carbine.
North Korean Type 1964, pistol, caliber 7.62mm Tokarev.
* O.F. Mossberg Model 472SBAS "American Indian Commemorative" .30-30 and .35 Remington caliber lever action rifles, having Indian scenes etched on receiver, manufactured in 1974 only.
Ortgies, semiautomatic, caliber .25, with S/N 10073.
Ortgies, semiautomatic, caliber .32, with S/N 126314. OWA, semiautomatic pistol, caliber .25.
PAF, "Junior" semiautomatic pistol, caliber .25, mfd. by the Pretoria Arms Factory Ltd. of South Africa.
PAF, pistol, marked "BRF," caliber .25, mfd. by the Pretoria Arms Factory Ltd. of South Africa.
* Parker-Hale, Model T-4, cal. 7.62mm, bolt action target rifles, mfd. prior to 1975.
Parker, shotguns, all grades, all gauges, produced by Parker Brothers, Meridan, CT, and Remington Arms, Ilion, NY, from 1899 through 1945.
Pedersoli, 120th Anniversary of the Remington Creedmore, .45/70 caliber, single shot rolling block rifle, having S/Ns between CR001 and CR300.
* Pedersoli, 125th Anniversary of the Springfield, Model 1873 Trapdoor rifle, .45/70 caliber, having serial numbers between 125th-001 through 125th-125.
* Pedersoli, Sharps Creedmoor, single shot rifles, caliber .45-70, S/Ns SCR001 through SCR300.
Phoenix, (U.S.A.), pistol, caliber .25 ACP.
* Polish Mosin Nagant M44 type carbines, caliber 7.62 X 54R, manufactured in Poland, identified by the manufacturer code "11" in an oval on the chamber area, and marked with the actual date of manufacture during the 1950's or earlier.
James Purdey, Over & Under shotgun, 12 gauge, S/N 26819, engraved and gold inlaid.
Reising, .22 caliber, semiautomatic pistol.
* Remington, Model 31, pump action shotguns, 12, 16, and 20 gauge, mfd. 1931 - 1950.
* Remington Rolling Block firearms, all models mfd. from 1899 - 1935.
Remington, over/under Derringer, caliber .41 rim fire, Remington Arms Company, Ilion, NY, made between 1898 and 1935.
Remington, Canadian Territorial Centennial, model 742, rifle.
Remington, model 12, rifle, cal. .22 short, long rifle, and .22 Remington Special mfd. by Remington Arms, Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Remington Works, Ilion, NY, from 1909 to 1936.
Remington, model 30 rifles.
Remington, model 720 rifles.
Remington, model 51, semiautomatic pistol, cals. .32 ACP or .380 ACP.
Remington, Montana Territorial Centennial, model 600, rifle.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model Nylon 66 semiautomatic rifle, caliber .22LR.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 1100SA semiautomatic shotgun, caliber 12 gauge.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 552A semiautomatic rifle, caliber. 22LR.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 572A slide action rifle, caliber .22LR.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 742ADL semiautomatic rifle caliber .30/06.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 760ADL slide action rifle caliber .30/06.
Remington, 150th Anniversary model 870SA slide action shotgun, caliber 12 gauge.
Rheinmetal, semiautomatic pistols, caliber .32.
Rhode Island Arms Co., Morrone Model 46, shotgun.
Rifle, caliber 7.62 2A "INDIA", all variations, originally mfd. at Ishapore Arsenal, India prior to 1965.
Roth Steyr, 1907, semiautomatic pistol, caliber 8mm.
Ruger, Blackhawk .44 with 6-1/2" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 1 to 29860.
Ruger, Blackhawk .44 with 7-1/2" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 17000 to 29860.
Ruger, Blackhawk .44 with 10" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 18000 to 29860.
Ruger, Blackhawk .357 with 4-5/8" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 1 to 42689.
Ruger, Blackhawk .357 with 6-1/2" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 20000 to 42689.
Ruger, Blackhawk .357 and 9mm stainless steel revolver with S/Ns 32-56000 - 32-59000.
Ruger, Blackhawk .357 magnum with 10" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 20000 - 38000.
Ruger, Canadian Centennial, Matched No. 1 Rifle Sets, Special Deluxe.
Ruger, Canadian Centennial, Matched No. 2 Rifle Sets.
Ruger, Canadian Centennial, Matched No. 3 Rifle Sets.
Ruger, Canadian Centennial, model 10/22, carbine.
Ruger, l0/22 Canadian Centennial, carbine with S/Ns Cl to C4500.
Ruger, Falling Block Long Range Creedmore rifle, cal. .45 (Sharps), S/N 130-06888, The Amber Silver Jubilee.
Ruger, flattop, "Blackhawk" revolvers, cals. .44 Magnum and .357 magnum, all barrel lengths, made from 1955 through 1962.
Ruger, flattop, single-six, .22 cal. revolvers with flat side loading gate, all barrel lengths, made from 1953 through 1956.
Ruger, Hawkeye, pistol with S/Ns 1 to 3296.
Ruger, Lightweight Single Six, Revolver with S/Ns 200000 to 212630.
Ruger, Mark I "U.S." stamped medallion, pistol with S/Ns 76000 - 79000.
Ruger, Single Six, engraved revolver with S/Ns 5100 - 75000.
Ruger, Standard Auto with red eagle, pistol with S/Ns 1 - 25000.
* Ruger, Super Black Hawk, revolvers having a barrel length of 6½ inches with S/Ns 24000 - 26000.
Ruger, Super Single Six stainless with 4" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 62-07500 - 64-650000.
Ruger, Super Single Six stainless with 9" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 62-07500 - 63-40000.
Ruger, Super Single Six chrome with 4-5/8" barrel, revolver with S/Ns 504000 - 505000.
Ruger, "21 Club" No. 1, rifle with random S/Ns.
Ruger, 44 Deerstalker, carbine with S/Ns 1 to 5000.
* Rumanian Mosin Nagant 1944 type carbines, caliber 7.62 X 54R, manufactured in Romania, and manufactured from 1952 to 1956.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Nagant revolver, model 1895, cal. 7.62 Nagant and .22 cal. all variations, mfd. by the Tula Arsenal, Tula, Russia, after 1898.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, model TT, 1930, pistol, cal. 7.62, mfd. at the Tula Arsenal, Tula, U.S.S.R., from 1939 through 1956.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, model TT, 1933, pistol, cal. 7.62, mfd. at the Tula Arsenal, Tula, U.S.S.R., from 1933 through 1956.
Russian (U.S.S.R.) Tokarev, model TT R-3, .22 cal., pistol.
Russian (U.S.S.R.) Tokarev, model TT R-4, .22 cal., pistol.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tula Korovin, Tk, .25 ACP cal., semiautomatic pistol.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), model 1891, Mosin-Nagant rifles, cal. 7.62 x 54R and .22 cal., all models and all variations, mfd. after 1898 (i.e., M1891/30, M1910, M1938, and M1944).
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic rifle, model 1938 (SVT38), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic rifle, model 1940 (SVT40), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic carbine, model 1932 (nonstandard), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic carbine, model 1940 (SVT40), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Simonov, semiautomatic rifle, model SKS, cal. 7.62 x 39, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Dragunov, semiautomatic rifle, model SVD, cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture, Soviet military issue only.
J. P. Sauer & Sohn pistols, mfd. prior to 1946.
Sauer, 38(h), pistol, cal. 7.65mm marked w/Third Reich police acceptance stamps of Eagle C, F, K, or L.
Savage Arms, semiautomatic pistols, cal. .45 ACP, all models.
Savage Arms, model 99, lever action, centerfire rifles, mfd. in Utica, NY prior to World War II with S/Ns below 450000.
Savage, Prototype pistols, cal. .25, .32 and .38 made between 1907 and 1927.
Savage, model 1907 pistol, caliber .32 and .380.
Savage, model 1915 pistol, caliber .32 and .380.
Savage, model 1917 pistol, caliber .32 and .380.
Schwarzlose, pocket model 1908 in 7.65mm, pistol mfd. by A.W. Schwarzlose, G.m.b.h., Berlin,
Germany and those assembled or made by Warner Arms.
* Smith and Wesson, Model 624 revolver, First Issue, cal. .44 Target, engraved year "1985" over the
issue number (1-25) on the right sideplate.
* Smith & Wesson Collector's Association, 25th Anniversary Commemorative revolver 1970-1995,
Model 29, .44 Magnum caliber, S/Ns SWC 0001 through SWC 0184.
Smith & Wesson, 125th anniversary Commemorative, model 25, revolver, cal. .45, marked "Smith & Wesson 125th Anniversary" and mfd. in 1977.
Smith & Wesson, 150th anniversary Texas Ranger Commemorative model 19 revolver.
Smith & Wesson, 1st model, Ladysmith revolver, cal. .22 rimfire long.
Smith & Wesson, .22/32 Kit Gun, cal. .22LR, S/Ns 525670 - 534636 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, 2nd model, Ladysmith revolver, cal. .22 rimfire long.
Smith & Wesson, 2nd model, single shot pistol, cals. .22 rimfire, .32 S&W and .38 S&W.
Smith & Wesson, .32 Double Action Top Break, cal. .32 S&W, S/Ns 209302 and higher.
Smith & Wesson, .32 Safety Hammerless Top Break (New Departure), cal. .32 S&W, S/Ns 91401 and higher.
Smith & Wesson, .357 Magnum Hand Ejector, cal. .357 Magnum, S/Ns 45768 to 60000 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, .38 Double Action Top Break Perfected model, cal. .38 S&W.
Smith & Wesson, .38 Double Action Top Break, cal. .38 S&W, S/Ns 382023 and higher.
Smith & Wesson, .38 Hand Ejector Military and Police, cal. .38, S/Ns 1 to 241703 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, .38 Safety Hammerless Top Break (New Departure), cal. .38 S&W, S/Ns 19901 and higher.
Smith & Wesson, .38/44 Outdoorsman & Heavy Duty, cal. .38, S/Ns 36500-62023 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, 3rd model, Ladysmith revolver, cal. .22 rimfire long.
Smith & Wesson, 3rd model, single shot pistol, cals. .22 rimfire, .32 S&W and .38 S&W.
Smith & Wesson, 4 screw side plate revolvers, old style N-frame series, with no model designation stamped in the yoke cut, in cal. .44 magnum, all barrel lengths, falling within the S130000- Sl60350 block of serial numbers, of which a total of 6,500 units were produced from1956 to 1958.
Smith & Wesson, .44 Hand Ejector, all cal., S/Ns 1-62488 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, .455 Mark II Hand Ejector, caliber .455.
Smith & Wesson, California Highway Patrol Commemorative model 19 revolver, cal. .357.
Smith & Wesson, City of Los Angeles 200th Anniversary Commemorative model 19 revolver, cal. .357.
Smith & Wesson, K-22 Hand Ejector, cal. .22 LR, S/Ns 632132-696952 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, K-32 Hand Ejector (K-32 Masterpiece), cal. .32 S&W Long, S/Ns 653388 to 682207 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, Mercox Dart Gun, cal. .22 rimfire, blank.
Smith & Wesson, Model 16 (K-32 Masterpiece), cal. .32 S&W Long, "K" S/N series.
Smith & Wesson, model 21, .44 Special caliber, also known as the".44 Hand Ejector Fourth Model" and the "1950 Model Military", having serial number S75,000 - S263,000.
Smith & Wesson, Model .22/32 Hand Ejector (Bekeart model), cal. .22LR, S/Ns 138220 to 534636 (no letter).
Smith & Wesson, Model 29 "Elmer Keith Commemorative" .44 magnum revolvers, S/N EMK1 - EMK2500.
Smith & Wesson, Model 39, Connecticut State Police 75th Anniversary 1903-1978, pistols, S/Ns CSP001 - CSP704.
Smith & Wesson, Model 39, steel frame pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Smith & Wesson, Model 39-1 (52-A), pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum.
Smith & Wesson, Model 53, Remington Jet Center Fire Magnum, cal. .22.
Smith & Wesson, Model 41-1 .22 short cal. semiautomatic pistols.
Smith & Wesson, Model 42 Centennial Airweight .38 Special 5-shot revolvers, with aluminum alloy frames and cylinders.
Smith & Wesson, Model 45 Military & Police .22LR cal. revolvers.
Smith & Wesson, Model 46 .22LR caliber semiautomatic pistols.
Smith & Wesson, Model 56 U.S. Air Force contract .38 Special 6-shot revolvers, S/N K500001 through K515001.
Smith & Wesson Model 66 Distinguished Combat Magnum, caliber .357 magnum revolver, marked with the Texas Sheriff's Assoication badge and "TEXAS LAWMAN" on the right side of the frame, commemorating 150 years of law enforcemnent in Texas 1836-1986.
Smith & Wesson model 66, Dallas Police Department Commemorative Edition 1881-1981.
Smith & Wesson, Model 66, "Naval Investigative Service Commemorative" .357 6-shot revolvers.
Smith & Wesson, Model 147-A, 9mm 14-shot semiautomatic pistols.
Smith & Wesson, Model 544, "Texas Wagon Train Commemorative" .44/40 cal. 6-shot revolvers, S/N TWT001 through TWT7800.
Smith & Wesson, .45 hand ejector model of 1950 Military, .45 caliber, having serial numbers between S76000 and S263000.
Smith & Wesson, Model 1917 revolver, cal. .45 ACP, produced for Brazil.
Smith & Wesson, Model Straight Line, single shot pistol, cal. .22 rimfire long rifle.
Smith & Wesson, pistol, caliber .32 ACP.
Smith & Wesson, pistol, caliber .35, all variations.
Smith & Wesson Registered Model 27 revolvers, cal. .357-magnum, 50 Yr. Commemorative, 5"
barrel, S/Ns REG0001 through REG2500, inclusive.
Smith & Wesson U.S. Air Force contract M13 Aircrewman .38 Special 5-shot J frame and 6-shot K frame revolvers.
Smith & Wesson, U.S. Border Patrol 50th Anniversary Commemorative, model 66, stainless steel, cal. .357 Magnum, revolvers.
Sosso, pistols, mfd. by Guilio Sosso, Turin, Italy, or Fabrica Nationale D'Armi, Brescia, Italy, cal. 9mm.
Springfield Armory, Inc., Korean War Commemorative .30 cal., MI Garand Rifle S/Ns from KW0001 to KW1000.
Standard Arms Co., rifle/shotgun combination, U.S., model "Camp," slide action cal. .50.
Standard Arms Co., rifle model G, slide action or gas operated, any caliber.
Standard Arms Co., rifle model M, slide action caliber .25-.35, .30 Rem. and .35 Rem.
Stevens, Model 77E, 12 gauge, military riot type shotguns, properly marked and identified as mfd. for the U.S. Military, from 1963 to 1969, in original configuration.
Steyr, model 1909, .25 ACP cal. semiautomatic pistol.
Steyr-Hahn, M1912, pistol, cal. 9mm Steyr.
Steyr-Hahn, M1912, pistol, cal. 9mm parabellum marked with Third Reich police acceptance stamps of Eagle C, F, K, or L.
Stock, semiautomatic pistols, all cals. mfd. by Franz Stock.
Swiss Model 1931/55 rifles, cal. 7.5 mm, S/Ns 1001 to 5150.
Swiss Schmidt Rubin, Model 1911, rifle made into a harpoon gun, caliber 12mm.
Swiss self loading rifle, test 1947, cal. 7.5mm, all variations.
Tauler, model military and police pistol.
* Thompson/Center 25th Anniversary Contender, cal. .22LR pistol, 10 inch barrel, S/N's 25 001-25 536.
Thompson Center Contender Pistol, cal. .30 Herrett, Steve Herrett Commemorative, S/Ns SH-001 to SH-500.
Thompson Center Contender Pistol, cal. 7mm TCU, IHMSA 10th anniversary commemorative, S/Ns IHMSA 10-001 to IHMSA 10-200.
Tokagypt 58, pistol, caliber 9mm parabellum.
Trejo, semiautomatic pistols, cal. .22, .32, and .380. mfd. in Mexico, circa 1952 to 1972.
* Uberti Model 1866 lever action rifles, "An Engraver's Tribute to Gustave Young", .44/40 caliber, S/Ns GY001 through GY300.
Uberti model 1866 L.D. Nimschke, lever action rifles, caliber .44-40, serial numbers LDN001 through LDN300.
Uberti, Single action revolver, cal. .45, General George S. Patton Commemorative, S/Ns P0001 to P2500.
U.S, model 1911-A-1, .45 cal. pistol, mfd. by Union Switch and Signal Company, prototype model, with S/Ns US&S Exp. 1 to US&S Exp. 100.
U.S., model 1911-A1, semiautomatic, pistol, cal. .45, mfd. by the Singer Manufacturing Company in 1942, S/N range from S800001 to S800500.
U.S., model 1911-A1, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .45, mfd. by Remington Rand, bearing S/N prefix of ERRS.
U.S., model 1911-A1 semiautomatic pistol, cal. .45, produced as original factory cut-a-ways.
U.S., Rifle, cal. .30 M1, original military issue only, produced prior to 1956.
U.S., Rifle, cal. .30, MC-1952, equipped with telescopic sight
mount MC, telescopic sight MC1, marked U.S.M.C. or Kollmorgan.
U.S. Repeating Arms, Wyoming Centennial, Winchester Commemorative Model 94 Carbines,
cal. .30-30, S/Ns WYC001 through WYC500.
UZI, Model A, semiautomatic carbine, cal. 9mm, having a satin nickel finish applied at the factory, S/Ns SA 0001 to SA 0100.
Walther, bolt action and semiautomatic rifles, all cals., mfd. prior to 1946.
Walther, model PP and PPK semiautomatic pistols, in all cals., mfd. in France and marked "MANHURIN".
Walther, Model PP pistol, 50 Jahre 1929-1959 Commemorative, caliber .22 and .380.
Walther, Model TP and TPH pistols, cal. .22 and .25 ACP, original German manufacture only.
Walther, Olympic bolt action single shot match rifle, in cal. .22 made by Waffenfabrik Walther,
Zella-Mehlis (thur.) prior to World War II.
Walther, pistols, mfd. at Zel1a-Mehlis prior to 1946, all models, any caliber.
Walther, rifles, model 182, cal. .22 made by Waffenfabrik Walther, Zelia-Mehlis (thur.) prior to World Wa


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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What's on the list is not relavant. The term "sporterized" means modified from it's original configuration. Additionally, states have and do apply their own limitations to the list superceding the BATFE's guidelines. I wouldn't screw around with trying to buy a sporterized/modified C&R weapon. Modifying a legitimate C&R weapon violates the spirit of the code and may also get you into trouble. As Elmer Fudd used to say "Be very very careful".

If there is doubt then buy it as a non C&R purchase and you'll be fine.
 
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That list is hardly complete, for example, there are no Winchesters other than one commemorative.
 
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Rob,

The first thing is says on the website is...

"This is not a complete list"


Mike

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Macifej,

What section of the sporterized language in?


Mike

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Rob,

The first thing is says on the website is...

"This is not a complete list"


They make it as confusing as possible, there are C&R's, guns that used to be collectible and are now classified as C&R's, etc.

Here's a link to a more complete list, perhaps it's more current.
C&R List
 
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Macifej,

What section of the sporterized language in?


I'll get it for you guys and post it when I have a few minutes to dig it out. I have all the BATFE and Kaliforniastan guidelines/manuals/books etc as I have a current C&R FFl which I do use.
 
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If one is looking for a Mauser Springfield or what ever and it was a Military unit and it's been altered ( Sporter). FORGET IT !. C&R are REAL CLEAR on that subject NO . They don't qualify as Curio or Collectable
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Then what is this meant to mean?

"Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; are considered C&R eligible."

I think you guys are reading too much into these regs.
 
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It means that a Winchester M71 made in 1940 is eligible but a Winchester or Browning repro M71 made by Miroku in Japan in the 1990's isn't.
 
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Yes I agree, Recoil Rob. But d martin, the original poster, asked about 'sporterized' rifles. Some folks like Macifej say that Sporterized = disqualified.

I totally disagree. I'm not into C&R rifles, but pistols. I bought a P-08 German Luger, chamber stamped 1917. It certainly qualifies for the 50 year rule. But it has been refinished and some of the parts do not have the original serial numbers of the slide and frame. Neither does the magazine. I bought it using my C&R license.

I bought a 1942 Beretta model 1934 that has been nickle plated. That's not original, but I bought it using my C&R license.

Same for a WWII Star model B. It was gone over by some arsenal, it's not original but, I bought it using my C&R license.

You guys aren't reading the regs correctly or else all the 01FFL dealers I've been buying from are transacting incorrectly.
 
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There is always one way to settle a disagreement over what is and what's not able to be purchased with a C&R license . Use the C&R to purchase it if the Feds coming knocking Well you've got to figure it wasn't if they don't happy Days collecting . The rest of the World is different than CA. out here we're lucky if we can buy ammo . In some counties it's illegal to have it or purchase it from shipping vendors !.

Although it's perfectly acceptable to let illegal aliens into the Country and give them anything and everything including SS !.

This is " Democracy in Action " paid for by all of our tax dollars credit you're Dummycrat politicians for that . Ride on Nancy and Harry into the Sunset over the DEEP BLUE and never ever come back !. Please NEVER !!!. Oh yes take that worthless left over bag of alcohol referred too as Kennedy with you .

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Yes I agree, Recoil Rob. But d martin, the original poster, asked about 'sporterized' rifles. Some folks like Macifej say that Sporterized = disqualified.

I totally disagree. I'm not into C&R rifles, but pistols. I bought a P-08 German Luger, chamber stamped 1917. It certainly qualifies for the 50 year rule. But it has been refinished and some of the parts do not have the original serial numbers of the slide and frame. Neither does the magazine. I bought it using my C&R license.

I bought a 1942 Beretta model 1934 that has been nickle plated. That's not original, but I bought it using my C&R license.

Same for a WWII Star model B. It was gone over by some arsenal, it's not original but, I bought it using my C&R license.

You guys aren't reading the regs correctly or else all the 01FFL dealers I've been buying from are transacting incorrectly.


Refinnised does not equal sporterized. Most of teh surplus rifles being sold as C&R are mismatches having been refurbed. The point is that they have not been substantially altered as a rifle that has been sported has. there is a difference.

Hell, most 01's don't know the laws that pertain to them much less a C&R. And, greed has a way of helping them see grey issues in a light that is more in tune with their desire for $$$. Quite a silly game if you ask me on both the 01 & 03's part considering the penalties.

Now, you can buy a C&R then sport it all you want but it will no longer be C&R eligible.

Of course it always strikes me as silly that instead of going straight to the source (ATF) people will solicit help from annonymous internet "experts". When in doubt, go straight to the ATF and get it in writing. The funny thing is, I've found that most folks don't want to do that because they know what the answer will be. Big Grin




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Another problem with the C&R comes up on actions. The firearms must be complete. i.e. You cannot buy a 1913 Argentine barreled action on a C&R, but you can buy the complete rifle.

Look at the intent. If you sporterize a curio or a relic, it ceases to be a curio or a relic. It shouldn't be a C&R purchase. The collector value is, for the most part, gone, and thus the intent of the C&R license is gone with it. It is the value to collectors that determines whether or not the firearm is a C&R. Sporterized milsurps, for the most part, have little or no collector value. Their value is in sporting use, not collector value. I think Sedgleys, Rigbys, Griffin & Howe rifles should be C&R, too due to their "collectability" but I don't know how BATFE considers them. A "Bubba" sporterized 98 has no collector value, and thus, isn't covered under the C&R license, and shouldn't be.

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Another problem with the C&R comes up on actions. The firearms must be complete. i.e. You cannot buy a 1913 Argentine barreled action on a C&R, but you can buy the complete rifle.

Look at the intent. If you sporterize a curio or a relic, it ceases to be a curio or a relic. It shouldn't be a C&R purchase. The collector value is, for the most part, gone, and thus the intent of the C&R license is gone with it. It is the value to collectors that determines whether or not the firearm is a C&R. Sporterized milsurps, for the most part, have little or no collector value. Their value is in sporting use, not collector value. I think Sedgleys, Rigbys, Griffin & Howe rifles should be C&R, too due to their "collectability" but I don't know how BATFE considers them. A "Bubba" sporterized 98 has no collector value, and thus, isn't covered under the C&R license, and shouldn't be.

Fast Ed


I believe under special circumstances, something that ordinarily would NOT qualify as a C&R might. For example, a formerly military 1903 Springfield that was made into a custom rifle for, and was subsequently owned by, say, Theodore Roosevelt......


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This from ATF Publication 5300.11, revised April 2004:

[QUOTE]Licensed collectors may lawfully import curio or relic firearms other than surplus military firearms, nonsporting firearms, and NFA weapons. [A surplus military firearm is defined as one that belonged to a regular or irregular military force at any time. Alteration of the firearm does not change its status. Therefore, a sporting firearm with a military surplus frame or receiver is a surplus military firearm, because a frame or receiver is classified as a firearm as described in 18 U.S.C. section 921 (a) (3).]... [QUOTE]

Will this paragraph change anyone's mind about sporterized rifles made more than 50 years ago?
 
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Dave,

Thanks...I am always amazed at the number of people simply just agree with opinion.


Mike

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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This from ATF Publication 5300.11, revised April 2004:

[QUOTE]Licensed collectors may lawfully import curio or relic firearms other than surplus military firearms, nonsporting firearms, and NFA weapons.

I don't wish to start any arguments but why isn't it legal to purchase a sporterized mauser for example at a gun show or Dealers shop and carry it home that day ?. I'm speaking of a WW2 8MM redone in say 375 H&H , It's a Military relic but it's been altered and there for carries the same status as a MODERN FIREARM !.

Gun BROKER along with several other sellers makes no mention of C&R eligibility when selling these types of weapons . MUST be shipped too an FFL Dealer !.

As I said if the seller is willing to do it then it's probably legal if not ?.

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Dr. K,

The gun broker seller is just probably covering all his bets...it is less hassle to not worry about what is ie is not C&R elgible...

Why does UPS require a copy of an FFL?


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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike other dealers such as J&G out of AZ. also require an FFL on those types of weapons . But don't on C&R eligible weapons including SKS and many pistols ?. I wasn't aware UPS required a copy of the FFL unless shipping from a dealer too a dealer .
I've shipped too a dealer or Smith and had it shipped back to me . I have to sign for it . then again I want to SIGN and have it in MY hands , not left by the gate ! .

Or like FED EX pulled on me one time. The driver signed said it was delivered at 10:00 PM left by the front door !. TWO LARGE problems with that the gates are locked at 6:00 PM and Cypress & Thor patrol 24 7 . She goes 90 lb he goes 122 lb Security by German Shepperd !!.
Not even rats live on my property least wise not for long anyway .

Driver took the package home had it for 11 days before Fed Ex figured it out !. We NO longer USE THEM , they would leave stuff out side the gates even when the dogs weren't able to get too the gates . Inner and outer gates set up . Truck freight DHL UPS never ever had one problem .

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Sporterized rifles are C&R if they have value as a collectible. All those old fine coversions of 03's, mausers, etc, are C&R. A recent sporter conversion or Bubba job is not. The ATF's never given anyone trouble on this point, not caring much about old guns in general, but they'd have to prove it wasn't collectible.
In general today the 50 years OR on the list is the rule. Just remember that nothing is ever removed from the list so a lot qualifies now by the 50 year rule, but was put on either when it was less than 50, or because the distributor got nervous and had a museum curator certify it.
As for original military configuration all armed forces continually rebuild, rework and update their firearms. Any mods or parts switching they might have done are legal, and once again the ATF's never bothered anyone about it.
 
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Again why can't one purchase a 98 Sporter with a C&R license from a dealer or gun show and carry it away ?. Least wise in CA. we aren't able to nor are we able to purchase them from C&R dealers . If they are Stock 98 's we can an example Mitchell Mausers . But if it's been sporterized We aren't able to !. So I want an answer from BATF on this . I will have one after the holidays . Who determines the Value of a collectable other than the purchaser ?.
 
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Again why can't one purchase a 98 Sporter with a C&R license from a dealer or gun show and carry it away ?. Least wise in CA. we aren't able to nor are we able to purchase them from C&R dealers . If they are Stock 98 's we can an example Mitchell Mausers . But if it's been sporterized We aren't able to !. So I want an answer from BATF on this . I will have one after the holidays . Who determines the Value of a collectable other than the purchaser ?.


Sounds to me like it's a California problem you're having, not an ATF problem. Although, like I said, I never tried to buy a milsurp rifle, sporterized or original.
 
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I know and have purchased milsurplus but not a sporterized model . I've been told by the dealers it's because it's modified it no longer qualifies as a C&R collectable . It now falls under a modified or modern fire arm status .
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I don't know , but will find out directly from BATFE after the Holidays .

Assault weapons are a CA problem which we have a big list of , not bolt weapons .

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