I wanted the fine look of Conetrol scope mounts for a nice mauser sporter. It came with Redfield mounts that were ok but not as neat looking as the Conetrols

After fumbling the parts for a while and resting from it I finally got the mounts on. Its so difficult to handle the pieces and in particular to get the crosshairs square.

The scope is a matte finished Leu. 2.5-8. Matte is no good for the Conetrols as their rings fit too tight and grip the matte finish. Its impossible "for me" to get they square without taking them off time and time again.

Finally I got them on and the bolt handle hits the scopes ocular! Grr.

I will call Conetrol Monday to see what to do.

In the mean time I will put the Redfield two piece mounts back on. The season is not far away.

From another post here: " They are a little finicky to install, if your technical skills are not up to the task a 'smith should get them on for you for a couple of bucks."

I have played with them, and yes, they require more time and effort to square everything away.

However, they hold the scope well and look great; once they're set, you never have to mess with them again.

George

CR, I've found that with rings that are too tight in their circumference, i.e. they grip the scope's barrel too tightly at their parting lines, it helps to spread the ends of each ring further apart, as though to fit a slightly larger scope tube.

I clamp one end of each ring half in the bench vise and then use a hammer and brass punch to bend the ends of the ring half into a slightly more-open shape. It takes only a few thousandths to open up the ring half so that the ends don't grasp the scope tune until they're tightened. Works for me and leaves absolutely no marks at all on the scope when tightened, even when the scope is rotated.
Regards, Joe

Steele,

That sounds like a good idea.

Thanks

Like Mr. Steele, I've been slightly bending the ring halves for many years.

I use the upper portion of my Forster Case Trimmer collet holder. I lay the ring half across the upper diameter, and bump the ring half side with a leather mallet to open the ring very slightly. With the scope nearby, I can bump and try....etc.

I also smooth all ring half edges.

Hope this helps.

Kevin

Damn you boys are going through a lot of mess to use those rings! They ain't that pretty to me, I'm more of a Forest Gump guy on rings anyhow, pretty is as pretty does--but hell I like the way Talley's look......

Just last night I removed a scope from a friends rifle, the whole rig had been dropped right on the top of the ocular housing of his Zeiss scope.

It was in Conetrols, I had little problem removing them but I don't understand what the two tiny screws on the base of each ring are for in terms of adjustment. They seem to spread the bottom of the ring apart. I looked over Conetrols directions online but there is no mention of these screws.

Any help?

thanks, Rob

From Conetrol's site under Custum rings:

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Stainless-steel stud screws keep both rings anchored on tube for accuracy and convenience when removing and replacing scope to zero.

Under Gunnur rings:

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Similar to Conetrol's Custum rings except for stud screws, which are unnecessary if scope is to be "permanently" mounted . Can be mated with Custum rings for easier scope switching.

I don't think they are for spreading the rings; they are for tightening the rings down so they don't shift if you remove the scope from the bases.

George

+1

I cannot remember if it is their upper end rings or bases allow windage adjustment but it is not across the whole product line. I am with George, I put them on my custom non DG rifles. The only reason there is I like the QD on the big guns.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
I have played with them, and yes, they require more time and effort to square everything away.

However, they hold the scope well and look great; once they're set, you never have to mess with them again.

George

Thank you gentlemen.

Rob

That's all I ever use....dunno what the fuss is all about.

Another vote for Conetrols whenever I can afford them. They may take a bit longer to install but I've never run into any dead-ends while installing them.

To each there own, but I think they're the best looking out there.

Mighty strong too for as low profile as they are. I've done the horrible sin of carrying rifles by the scopes for many, many miles over the years with those mounts and never had a problem.

George gives great customer service if you have any questions.

You might give S&K's a try. Very sleek, light and beautifully machined. Being one piece they are not too difficult to install either. These are made for a Ruger but they make really sleek bases for most actions. They are the ones that George's ads are always whining about.

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Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
To each there own, but I think they're the best looking out there.

Mighty strong too for as low profile as they are. I've done the horrible sin of carrying rifles by the scopes for many, many miles over the years with those mounts and never had a problem.

Oh you're not supposed to hold the rifle by the scope? I guess I need to stop doing that.

Those S&Ks look like shit, might as well put on Talley's or sumpin else......

George or whatever his name is at Conetrol told me to send my rings back as the bases that he said would fit were too low.

He said that he had higher rings.

I waited for a couple of weeks and there was no response from Conetrol. I called and George told me that I had not included an 'order' with my letter and rings. He wanted more money now for the higher rings. It was not that clear as he gets mixed up.

I was not happy after all the shipping, waiting and taking mounts on and off of the rifle.

I said to send the rings back to me and I will throw them away here so that you can't keep them.

Never again with Conetrol.

I'm not sure how high a ring you needed. There is a price difference for some of the higher rings.

Sorry you had trouble with them. I love them. I did get so I would use a piece of masking tape over the top to hold things together as I mounted the scope.

As to the screws in the bottom of the rings that is to hold certain models together so you can do a quick removable and replacement of the scope.

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Finally I got them on and the bolt handle hits the scopes ocular! Grr.

I have had this happen on a couple of occasions.

If its just a very tiny bit before the bolt completely opens you can (or have someone else do it as I did) take the bolt out and heat it to bend it just a bit near the bolt knob so that it won't hit the scope anymore.

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Originally posted by Conservative Rifleman:
George or whatever his name is at Conetrol told me to send my rings back as the bases that he said would fit were too low.

He said that he had higher rings.

I waited for a couple of weeks and there was no response from Conetrol. I called and George told me that I had not included an 'order' with my letter and rings. He wanted more money now for the higher rings. It was not that clear as he gets mixed up.

I was not happy after all the shipping, waiting and taking mounts on and off of the rifle.

I said to send the rings back to me and I will throw them away here so that you can't keep them.

Never again with Conetrol.

That is too bad. I think they are about the best rings and the certainly look the best. They hold a scope like it is welded on. I think you got hung up on getting low rings. Conetrol rings will allow you to mount your scope lower than just about any mount. He also has med, High and extra high in multi finishes. With my fat cheeks I need a little higher rings than low. Look at the rings in the two pictures and see how much higher the S&K rings are than the Conetrol rings. I also have a set of S&K rings but they are more like the Conetrol rings than the ones pictures except mine are 2 piece rings that mount like Conetrol with apposing screws. Now I had to spread those rings in a vice to get them to fit. I can not believe people are talking about putting the conetro rings in a vise and spreading them apart. They are three piece rings that look like one piece rings when properly installed. The 3 pieces of each ring are not interchangable with the other ring. The cone screws also work wonders for windage. I have never bought any with the tiny screws use to make then removal and replace to zero. I have a picture here on my desk with a closeup of a set of 30mm rings and you can not see that they are three piece rings.

Well, I think they are fugly. I don't like dealing with them. I have a set that I will give away. I need to see what they fit. Do they have a number or something on them?
Butch

Butch, if you're giving them away, I'll take them.

Rob

I utterly despise them because it takes at least 8 hands to assmeble them

gentry and S&K rings are far superior in my opinion. They are 1 piece, so they look cleaner than the Conetrols. Plus beong one piece you do not have to fumble with all of the piece.

As far as being too tight on a scope, with Gentry's or S&K's you just tighten the amount you need. DO NOT make the bottom of the rings touch each other inside the base. Actually, that goes for the Controls i have used as well. Any ring can be over-tightened.

One thing to watch out for with all 3 of these brands is that you need to be sure you are not tightening the rings in a manner that you are kinking the scope side to side; i.e. keep the centerline of the ring pair in line with the centerline of the bore

I still have a new set that I tried to sell about a month or two ago; nobody wanted them. That must tell you something

Jim

Are your rings the custom, gunner? 1" or 30 mm and what height.
I personally like them and they do challenge you a bit getting your X hairs positioned but once they are on, it is forever.
The gentleman at Conetrol is getting up in years and I think he does not hear to clearly sometimes so it is best to send them orders via e-mail. He has always been very nice to me. I believe I have their rings and bases of 4 or 5 of my rifles.

EZ

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I still have a new set that I tried to sell about a month or two ago; nobody wanted them. That must tell you something

Jim

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I still have a new set that I tried to sell about a month or two ago; nobody wanted them. That must tell you something

Jim

Yes, you asked too much for them!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I still have a new set that I tried to sell about a month or two ago; nobody wanted them. That must tell you something

Jim

Yes, you asked too much for them!

And this? Comingfrom someone who really knows his schitt and ain't afraid to show it.

Idiot

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I would say that the IDIOT is the person who finds it necessary to call another an idiot. Sometimes when a person is unable to admit the obvious the best thing to do is shut up. Go back outside and play.

Perhaps one should heed his own advice

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Perhaps one should heed his own advice

And perhaps one should heed another's advice.