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Re: The rarest Mauser 98 system??
24 December 2004, 18:02
HuviusRe: The rarest Mauser 98 system??
The .280 Halger produced high pressures and could not pass proof in a standard length action so as far as I know all of them were built on magnum length actions. I own one numbered 120, and have been told that Halger started numbering from 100, but I do not know how many were made.
I would think that the .505 double-square bridge with a solid left wall would be as rare as any, but .505 was a popular option for a dangerous game rifle for someone not wanting to pay the price of a double.
24 December 2004, 19:16
ALF.
24 December 2004, 20:02
Tex21Alf,
I just want to say that I have been reading your posts for quite awhile and you never cease to amaze me. The wealth of Mauser knowledge you bring to the table is incredible. Truly sir, I want to be you someday, if I ever grow up!
Thanks for lending us your brain.
Tex
24 December 2004, 20:23
Dago RedAlf,
what is the charge again to take a look at your collection? is the blindfolded trip from the airport to your house still part of the deal?
Red
25 December 2004, 04:03
fla3006Kurz Mauser for sale on GunsAmerica:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976539813.htm26 December 2004, 10:34
HuviusALF,
What is the type designation on the rifle you have shown us?
I also have a mauser actioned rifle with the slanted magazine, but always thought it wasn't really a '98. All of my other '98 actioned rifles have their magazines directly below the bolt opening in the action - straight down. The one with the slanted magazine is chambered in 45-70, so maybe the slant does help with keeping rimmed cartridges from overlapping at the rear.
Also, I know that Mauser did not assemble Halger rifles, but I assume sold the actions to them for them to barrel and stock. Was this the arrangement with other makers such as Rigby, Gibbs, Westley Richards etc. or did Mauser build rifles for them as complete units? The reason I ask is that I once owned a Cogswell & Harrison chambered in 10.75X68 and it looked just like a type B commercial Mauser (all of the metal anyway) but the stock was in the English fashion.
Anyone interested in my Halger?
Thank You All,
HUVIUS
26 December 2004, 11:16
craigsterYour slant mag 45-70 is probably a Siamese Mauser that has been rebarreled. The conversion of the Siam 98 to 45-70 is relatively common .
26 December 2004, 15:28
manhasset It might be a Slanted Box Magazine Short Intermediate for the Rimmed 303 British Round. See if you can get a copy of Jon Speed Oberndorf Sporting Rifles book. A wealth of knowledge but I like Alf's better. His photos of Brno and Mausere sporters make grown men drool.
Bob
26 December 2004, 15:52
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26 December 2004, 18:38
ALF.
26 December 2004, 19:04
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26 December 2004, 20:59
ALF.
27 December 2004, 04:45
AfricanHunterFortnerPM sent.
27 December 2004, 05:18
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27 December 2004, 05:56
<eldeguello>Quote:
I have a new vote, one of my friends votes for
280 Halger Magnum in the Mauser Magnum System
Burkhard
Isn't the .280 Halger merely an overloaded .280 Ross cartridge? I do know the .240 Halger is just an overloaded version of the 6X57mm Mauser (6mm Remington.....) ALL of Halbe and Gerlich's "inventions" were loaded to pressures over what we'd consider safe maximiums today... 
I remember Phil Sharpe descibed them pretty thoroughly in a Gun Digest back in the 50's....
27 December 2004, 06:07
<eldeguello>Looks to me like they cut a dovetail in the top of the receiver ring on that 300 Savage Kurtz for sale on GunsAmerica.... If so, it is ruined!
27 December 2004, 06:11
<eldeguello>Wow! A Sprigfield action on a rifle built by Mauser. That is really interesting. I doubt many people even realize such things exist!
27 December 2004, 07:14
ALF.
27 December 2004, 18:19
IdaredMichael
Is this the same origin of the rifle you have pictured?
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=2708884927 December 2004, 20:21
2mpThis is turning into a mess and I apologize from bringing this subject up.
For the record, I am not the person selling the Whelen drawing, so please do not get us confused.
2MP Michael Petrov /Alaska
mjpetrov@acsalaska.net 27 December 2004, 21:13
2mpIdared, Thanks for your kind words, I have been trying to preserve the history of the custom gunmakers and need to get out of this discussion. IT WAS NOTHING YOU SAID! Sometimes the net is a good place to exchange information other times not. The Whelen info and the Mauser 1903 info have both been published and if you want copies write me.
27 December 2004, 20:35
ALF.
28 December 2004, 04:38
HowardQuote:
On 21 December 1926 a 280 Halger was shot at the Berlin Hallensee proofing grounds shooting a 5 shot group of 3/8 inch spread at 109.4 yards with a muzzle velocity of 3825 fps.
Question how accurate where chronographs back then? My understanding is they weren�t� very and many velocity claims where nothing more then �educated� guesses and totally unreliable.
28 December 2004, 04:42
HowardDon�t you think it�s not only possible but also proabable that Mauser had rifles and actions from many makers for testing, examination, and experimentation? I wonder if some of these examples couldn�t have fallen into the hands of people and they where �thought� to be commercially produced? It certainly stands to reason that the Mauser people were tinkers and who knows what they would have put together in their PLAY time!! Would not Mauser have experimented with the time and cost associated with producing a Springfield action? I can certainly see the military wanting such information. How long, how much how difficult to produce?
28 December 2004, 16:03
vigillinusNot surprised that Whelen may have talked Oberndorf into making an 06 on a 1903 (American made) action, Germans were broke after WWI and were interested in sales in the US. Before WWII Newton was having stuff made in Germany. For my part I nominate as a standard not one-off Mauser rarity the slant magazine action for the rimmed .350 No. 2 Rigby, I owned a Rigby double for this cartridge and for 35 years looked for a bolt action. Only located one and it was shot out. Emphatically NOT for the .350 Rigby Magnum of near identical ballistics which was rimless.
28 December 2004, 18:06
craigster2mp,
Please do not apologize for bringing this subject up, I am very much interested in the history of the Mauser and Springfield rifles. Any info you can share is greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
Craig
28 December 2004, 18:27
ALF.
28 December 2004, 19:25
vigillinusI hope Jon Speed has learned that Griffin in Griffin & Howe is not spelled Griffen.
28 December 2004, 19:33
2mpCraigster, What I am trying to keep from happing is to be confused with the person selling the Whelen drawings and a 1903 marked Mauser.
If I can answer any question drop me a line at
mjpetrov@acsalaska.net05 January 2005, 06:54
pjalnther are some sporters made up on very early small rings mostly in 8x57 or 7x57 these in nice original condition are nice but arent easy to find ,i do own a rigby 303. biult with the slantbox it is original and unmolested at all and no pitting whatsoever built about 1913 this gun built by mauser would be rarer another model would be the "african" model by mauser i think it had a 28" barrel stocked almost to the muzzle also a 9.3x62 by mauser with the semi drop box single trigger ,26" barrel type A would be pretty rare too. these guns can be found but it is not easy it is not so bad when you find one that has had the bolt altered ,its when they cut the stock to fit it that makes you sick ............paul
05 January 2005, 17:49
Phantom DuckAnd this is exactly why I frequent this forum only. The amount of knowledge, good and bad, that is available here is simply amazing. Thanks.
... For he today, that sheds his blood with me, shall be my brother.
05 January 2005, 18:04
JefferyDenmarkAlf
Great info
Thanks
Cheers,
André
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