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Just what was the quality of these actions? Compared to the Mark X for example? Thanks, KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | ||
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It doesn't compare. Quality on these as with most Spanish mausers runs all over the board. Some too soft and some too hard. They made actions for Parker Hale that had to be destroyed due to being too hard. Remember all those PH take off barrels floating around a few years ago. Too soft can be dealt with, too hard and you're out of luck. | |||
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In your typical manner you've slammed me without offering up one piece of advice or explaining your slam. Why don't you explain yourself if you can so Kabluewy can get some useful info out of this thread. Or do you as usual just intend trade barbs without ever contributing to the discussion? | |||
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rem721, Thanks for the info. You helped me make a decision. Duikerman, I don't like to get in the middle of a squabble or pissing match. However, sometimes I like a good word fight. It's just that right now I'm busy, having to spend my weekend writing motions and oppositions to motions to the court relating to my divorce. I am having plenty of fun with word fights already, with a very worthy opponent, namely my wife’s attorney. If you’re so good at word fights, maybe you can redirect some of that energy, and offer me some constructive advice.  Regards, Kb ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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If the metal is too hard, you can always normalize and re-heat treat. perhaps that was the jist of his jibe.... John | |||
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I'd temper 721's advice by saying I've had some experience with Spanish Centurians and possibly Santa Barbaras (some debate as to origin due to secondary marketing by PH, Herters, etc.) Mine were nicely finished c ring 98's, good lug contact, nice exterior finish, no problems with setback even with high pressure cartridges. I wouldn't dismiss one out of hand although some due diligence might be in order--a competent smith should be able do a simple rockwell test, any other problems should be evident to the eye. I'm pretty pleased with mine. Jay Kolbe | |||
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I bought one one time and figured if nothing else, it was worth the cost of the hinged bottom metal. After I recieved it and inspected it, I promptly sold it. Both the action and bottom metal did not impress me. Mk X's have their own share of issues at times, but the ones I have seen were all substantially better than the SB's | |||
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I had a complete rifle with a santa barbara action. I sold it also. It was a C ring and looked nice, maybe rough on the inside, cheap alloy bottom metal almost seemed plastic. Cycling the bolt wasnt too smooth. Dehass book says they have a stiff fireing pin sprg too. I remember JBelk sayed the britle ones had a discolor to the front ring | |||
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Not all the brittle ones had that purple color but a great many did. By the time you add in the time & expense of having them hardness tested you are better off just upgrading to the Zastava (Mark X, Charles Daly, etc) actions. | |||
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I've heard the usual issues around the Santa Barbara. I've only been around one it was a Parker Hale(I assumed it was a SB). The Rifle was a 7mmRmag and only had factory ammo shot in it. After less than 200 rds it had setback. I've used numerous MKX. Most needed smoothing. A few had been over polished and had rounded corners and egg shaped holes. A couple of them I did a lot of testing in the high psi range(numerous blown primers) and never had any issue with them handling the pressure. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I've got two, both have been checked for hardness and both are fine. One was a kit gun from CVA in .30-06, since rebarrelled and restocked into my 9,3x62. The other is a Parker Hale .458 Win Mag which I had reamed to .458 Lott. Both have had more than a few rounds thru them and both are still working just fine. Of course your mileage may vary with anything made by man. | |||
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I've had two SBs and both are great shooters. One is a 30-06 that started out as a kit gun from Herter's and was stamped Santa Barbara, Spain. The seven Mag is also a Santa Barbara but only stamped on the barrel. I just bought another seven mag barreled action and it will be a 458 lott or if my thinking gets squared away it will be a 458 AR. It's been shot quite a bit with no set back. I'm foraging ahead with my project and the newly acquired Santa Barbara. Olcrip, Nuclear Grade UBC Ret. NRA Life Member, December 2009 Politicians should wear Nascar Driver's jump suites so we can tell who their corporate sponsers are! | |||
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Ive got a centurion in 7x57 that came in a fajen stock I put it into a B&C carbelite and its easily the most accurate 7x57 Ive had. The action is not as smooth as my FN's the alloy bottom metal is pretty hokey but its still a nice rifle. | |||
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I have a 7 rem mag that came from the texas distributor.. The action is fine but none of the after market triggers would fit it & the original trigger stinks.. This was a demo rifle & has a very accurate shilen barrel. I paid less for it than the stock blank on it would cost. | |||
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I have a Century Arms one in .257 Roberts. I've had to replace the bottom metal and trigger, and it has never fed very well. I'm not sure if I'll dump more money into the beast...it was a gift, so I'll be keeping it. Dan | |||
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I think you made the right decision. Starting with a better action saves you lots of stress, worry, and grief down the line. And, they are pennies more, sometimes less. What you planning on building? | |||
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Thanks guys. I passed on the purchase. I have plenty of other good Mauser actions to choose from anyway. I think my next rifle will be 8x57. I don't know why I waited this long to have one, seems like such a good idea now. Also on my list is 6.5x55, 7x57, 9.3x57, and maybe another 9.3x62. I've already started putting together the stuff for a 323 Hollis, and have the reamer already, and plenty of 308 Norma brass. I have three actions that will work - a Ruger SS Mk II, a Charles Daly, and an FN. I haven't made a decision yet which one to use. I just ordered the dies from Redding, and that is about 16 weeks until delivery. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Good choice to pass. I just had a Santa Barbara receiver and bolt tested today and they both came in at 58 where normally they would read about 36 for the receiver and low to mid 40's on the bolt. Like you say, there are plenty of other good mauser actions out there. Hell, I just picked up a minty 1952 FN rifle complete for little more than $200. I like your cartridge choices. The 9.3x57 has become one of my personal favorites.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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I got some of the highly polished Santa Barbara commercial action from Century a couple years ago. They have welded bolts, no thumb cut, and the inner C ring is cut in half. These are more like FN actions. I got some 1950's military Santa Barbara actions and they have a thumb cut, but complete inner C rings. These are more like VZ24 actions. | |||
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Having a Mauser taken down to soft, and brought back up to specs is a cheap enough solution...The last one I had done was about $50 or $75. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, you are right to a point. However, the primary reason given here and elsewhere for opting for a commercial mauser action is to avoid the costs associated with transforming a Military action. So then why would you want to take away from this savings by utilizing an action that NEEDS to be corrected? The cost of heat treating is higher these days as is postage to and from. Figure a minimum of $100 for that lone action. Now, is it really such a deal? My thoughts are to use a good quality action if your intent is to use a commercial action. To do otherwise is simply false economy. Especially when you can still pick up these gems, with better bottom metal, for a song: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81691242 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81797662 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81632449 | |||
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THIS INTERARMS MARK X IF IT SELLS FOR THE BUY IT NOW PRICE WOULD BE A DECENT BUY. There are hidden costs with about anything you buy nowadays. If you are doing the work yourself that would be fine. If you are buying all the work to be done and paying a qualified smith to perform such work then you would be better advised to just purchase a CZ 550 and sell the pipe and furniture to recoup some of your costs in the action. Your starting out with a modern up to date action that would need a minimum of work and not have to be heat treated.  Olcrip, Nuclear Grade UBC Ret. NRA Life Member, December 2009 Politicians should wear Nascar Driver's jump suites so we can tell who their corporate sponsers are! | |||
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Rem721, I apologize if I returned the response to your quotes the wrong way. I'm not exactly sure what the protocol is. But I didn't intend to mess with your post, just wanted to respond to the links. Please accept my apology. Olcrip, Nuclear Grade UBC Ret. NRA Life Member, December 2009 Politicians should wear Nascar Driver's jump suites so we can tell who their corporate sponsers are! | |||
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No problems!  I knew what you were doing.I was just pointing out that not everyone NEEDS to replace the bottom metal and that these units, though not hinged, are a far cry from military units. Granted, a cz550 would be the far less expensive choice and while they are a fine action (I have many) they are no where near as sexy as a Mauser.  | |||
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How can one identify a Santa Barbara action? I have what I "think" is a Santa Barbara mauser but have never really kown for sure. Stamped made in Spain under the action by the trigger. No other markings, no import etc. 243W only mark on the barrel Serial Number starts with the letter Z- Only proof mark is a CP with the C intersecting the P. Fit and finish are very good bolt not rough it is a commecial action. Ron | |||
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 This is a Santa Barbra action that I sent off to Century in 2006 and got one for $129.87 free shipping. My 1950's Spanish military 98s are La Coruna, and not what I posted above. Sorry. | |||
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Mausers have an aura and a mystic about them with so much history. Yeah, the word just might be "Sexy." My gun locker is slowly pushing out the Rems being overtaken by Mausers. Olcrip, Nuclear Grade UBC Ret. NRA Life Member, December 2009 Politicians should wear Nascar Driver's jump suites so we can tell who their corporate sponsers are! | |||
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