Getting ready to start on another custom rifle project to be built in the traditional British rifle style. Looking at getting input on the receiver on which to base the custom. Caliber would either be .404 Jeffery or .318 Westley Richards.

Question:
Which action would you chose, and why, for a new custom rifle in either .404 Jeffery or .318 Westley Richards? Bottom metal would be replaced with new.

Choices:
1909 Argentine
1935 Chilean
1935 Brazilian
Mauser Standard Modell

 

Hi Mike, I'd choose a Standard Modell . Square bridge the rear. Leave banner creast on the front ring alone. 404 Jeffery.

If you deceide to go with the 404 Jeffery, are you going use a scope?, iron sights?? Both??

What Max said. I made a similar one for a friend's son, made a special front scope mount placed in front of the ring, to leave the Banner visible.
Regards, Joe

What Max said, and have Duane build it in a style similar to the .416 Rigby that Duane just finished for Forrest.

None of the above.

http://www.granitemountainarms.com/index.html

Leave the antique stuff for the museums and the neo-nazi skinhead booth at the gunshows.

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Originally posted by boltman:
None of the above.

http://www.granitemountainarms.com/index.html

Leave the antique stuff for the museums and the neo-nazi skinhead booth at the gunshows.

As long as we're expressing opinions here, you can leave that ugly way-too-high-IMO GM bolt handle in the trash can!

To each his own, sorry, the guy didn't give GM as an option and I didn't like the neo-Nazi remark. And if 'antiques' are really so b-a-a-d, how come GM tries so hard to make their action look like one of the early 'antique' square bridges?

Answer: Imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery.

But why settle for an imitation when you can have the real thing, made at Oberndorf?
Regards, Joe

35 Chilean, 35 Brazilian & Standard Modell are identical. I'd go with a Chilean or Brazilian, both have the Oberndorf stampings on the side. I'd retain the banner on the bridge and remove the military crest on the ring, then you have what looks like a commercial Oberndorf. These 2 actions (or a 33-34 post office rifle) are the only military Mausers I would consider for such an expensive project although others would suffice.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Getting ready to start on another custom rifle project to be built in the traditional British rifle style. Looking at getting input on the receiver on which to base the custom. Caliber would either be .404 Jeffery or .318 Westley Richards.

When you say "Mauser Standard Modell" do you mean a German military action or a commercial mauser action. If you mean a standard German military action then I vote for the 1909 Argentine action, they are some of the best. Also the floor plate/ trigger guard is better than the German military actions.

The "Standard Modell" was a mid '30s production rifle for use by non-military organizations, such as the post office, railroad, police, etc. It is marked "Standard Modell" on the left rail, in place of the usual Oberndorf moniker.

These are generally regarded to be in better condition than those issued to the military, although many were recycled for military use during the last years of the war. I have seen some RC guns that were originally Standard Modells.

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Originally posted by goshoot:
When you say "Mauser Standard Modell" do you mean a German military action or a commercial mauser action. If you mean a standard German military action then I vote for the 1909 Argentine action, they are some of the best. Also the floor plate/ trigger guard is better than the German military actions.

The commercial Mauser action made between the wars, and marked as KurtC notes, with "Standard Modell" on the left side and with the Mauser banner on the receiver ring.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by goshoot:
When you say "Mauser Standard Modell" do you mean a German military action or a commercial mauser action. If you mean a standard German military action then I vote for the 1909 Argentine action, they are some of the best. Also the floor plate/ trigger guard is better than the German military actions.

The commercial Mauser action made between the wars, and marked as KurtC notes, with "Standard Modell" on the left side and with the Mauser banner on the receiver ring.

If that "Standard Modell" is marked KurtC, could it be marked "Kurtz"?? If that be the case, I think it may be a short action or Kurz meaning short in German, Correct?

sent you a PM Jim Kobe

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
If that "Standard Modell" is marked KurtC, could it be marked "Kurtz"?? If that be the case, I think it may be a short action or Kurz meaning short in German, Correct?

Sorry for the confusion, I was replying the post by KurtC. The receiver is a regular length Mauser action, marked "Standard Modell" on the left side with the BUG stamps and the Mauser banner on the receiver ring.

I like everything about the Standard Modell action except the markings on the left rail. I'm with FLA3006; and would prefer to use an Oberndorf marked Mauser.

Supposedly, there were some commercial rifles in 404J built on Standard Modell actions. They are among the rarest of the rare Mauser variants. Perhaps if I had seen one in this configuration, I'd lusting to build a 404 on an SM action but that's just not the case.

Forrest,

I have a 1934 Standard Modell that has the mauser banner on the front ring and Mauser-Werke A-G.Oberndorf a.N. on the side rail. Also has the B U G N proofs on the front ring.
Another variation that closely resembles a commercial action.
Bob

Bob,
That sounds like am Oberndorf commercial Mauser. What makes it a Standard Modell?

Forrest,

In Laws book on the K98k he stated that in 1933 Mauser Werke introduced improvements to the "SM", which included a turned down bolt, recessed stock under the bolt and new sling. The Mauser Banner logo was stamped on the receiver ring over the yr of mfg and the makers legend M-W was stamped on the side rail. There is a lot more but it deals with the German Army and the nitty gritty of who this model was issued to.
Bob

Thanks. Now I want one of those.

Forrest,

There is a excellent photo essay at the milsurp.com forum. Its at the Mauser section under "Mauser 1934 Banner". Quite a few photos detailing this model.
Bob

Mike,
Just when I think I might actually have a chance to catch up with you... I know I am hopelessly behind Forrest!

I voted 1909 Argentine and would build it in .404 Jeff! Might take a bit of work to get her feeding but if Duane can do it to a .500 Jeff a .404 is a piece of cake!

Bob,

This is most interesting, as I have a 1934 banner Mauser. Jeffeosso was hinting at the fact that it could be an internal distribution or even a postal. It is the core of my newest project big bore 10.75x68. Do serial numbers help in identifying to whom these rifles were issued?

Andy

Andy,

there is as serial # study over at Gunboards.com under the K98 Mauser title with a lot of info as far as where the serial #'s would put your rifle as to who it was issued to.

also over at milsurps.com, the resident expert is Badger who runs the forum and is quite knowledgable on the Std Modell/ Banner.
I'm just like you, a novice looking for more info on what I have. A fine model that seems it was a commercial type issued to the military.
Bob

Bob & Andy, what you have are "post office" Mausers, see page 183 of Ludwig Olson's book.

Here's a mauser 318WR all ready to go.

318 Westley Richards

BTW here was a 404J marked Walter Locke.

404 Jeffery Walter Locke

WOW a 26 inch barrel on the 404 ! I was planning on 20-23 for my 10.75 project.

Andy

ps Thanks(fla3006)for the info above as to what type of issue rifle I have.

An update. The rifle will be a .318 Westley Richards built on a Model 1935 Brazilian Oberndorf action. The front sight will be the traditional Westley Richards type front sight, quarter rib with claw mounts. We are going to try to get the rifle as close to the following as possible (without the British-style mounts):



Will be sweeeet.

Sounds like fun. I think this rifle in the photo has started a number rifles to be commissioned. And it is so very attractive.

What do you see the barrel length being 25" or 26"?

Many Thanks

HBH

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Originally posted by HBH:
I think this rifle in the photo has started a number rifles to be commissioned.

HBH

I agree. Who made this rifle?

sorry if I'm about to hijack:

I voted brazilian because I had one once and loved the crest. I really wish I didn't let go of it.

I have two questions:

1. is there a place to see all the mauser crests, like a website with pics?

2. when you send one off to be hardened do you automatically loose the crest?

I had a gorgeous argentine that my friend did me the favor of surface grinding and drilling and tapping. I had planned to make an open sighted rifle to show off that crest, but figure since I planned to heat treat it anyways it would have been lost. was I right? (no matter, there are more, and I'd prefer the brazilian over the argie for crests).

Isn't the model above the Model A mauser? or is it Type A? that definitely is one I've wanted to do for a long time, the only one that I might consider doing first is the B pattern, like this one

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Originally posted by Dago Red:


2. when you send one off to be hardened do you automatically loose the crest?

I had a gorgeous argentine that my friend did me the favor of surface grinding and drilling and tapping. I had planned to make an open sighted rifle to show off that crest, but figure since I planned to heat treat it anyways it would have been lost. was I right? (no matter, there are more, and I'd prefer the brazilian over the argie for crests)

No, the crest is lost when the action is surface ground. Heat treating won't affect the markings.

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The rifle will be a .318 Westley Richards built on a Model 1935 Brazilian Oberndorf action.

So you took my advice again huh?

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I voted 1909 Argentine and would build it in .404 Jeff!

It's like my wife, she likes to get my input so that she knows what not to do.

so if you didn't surface grind it you could have an action heat treated and the crest would be left intact? damnit!

anybody got a bunch of pics of the different crests? anybody ever got a kick ass tattoo, a whole sleeve of mauser banners in black and grey?

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Originally posted by Dago Red:
anybody ever got a kick ass tattoo, a whole sleeve of mauser banners in black and grey?

Lover's of the Mauser possess a degree of refinement that does not allow such sacrilege.

Tattoos of other trademarks seem to fit the wearer. "Show us your Buckmark" Ahh, such class.....

(sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I'm only kidding.)

Ok, ok I'm not kidding.