There has been enough talk here in the past about the Gunners M70 extractors. I ordered one from Brownells just to see what it was like. Past forum talk said it was crude but it would clean up. Well I got it in yesterday morning, to say I was shocked that they (Brownells) would sell something of this quailty is a understatement.
The part looks like a half blind, crosseyed, beaver, with one broken tooth gnawed on it. Using the word "crude" to describe it is not even in the ballfield.
I have been making replacement gun parts for almost two decades. Guy's I have to tell you that there are better machined parts out there, you just need to know who makes them. I just spent 8 day's on a CNC mill, working on just over two hundred and twenty , M70 extractors. These are made with the help of a Winchester (Olin) factory blueprint. I have to say the are the best I have ever made. They have to be heatreated and polished, then blued. I expect them to be done after May 5.
They will be available for the following.
#5570 Pre 64, 30-06
#5670 Pre 64, Mag
#5770 Pre 64, 22 Hornet
#USRAR USRA, RH 30-06
#USRAL USRA, LH 30-06
#USRARM USRA, RH Mag
#USRALM USRA, LH Mag

Contact Wisner's Inc at 360-748-8942,
www.gunpartsspecialist.com

The USRA extractors are not on the web site yet.

What's the price?

How about a USRAC RH Short Action too?

Thanks,

BA

I just received an extractor from Wisners for my classic stainless long action. It fits, snugly, and will require a wee bit of massaging to feed ammo, but it a top quality piece of equipment. In my mind an essential add-on to any M70.

I second what Brad just asked for. I also have a short action M70 classic stainless, now in 284 Winchester. A Wisner extractor would be a welcome modification to this rifle. So Jim, please consider a run of these as well. Thanks.

[ 04-20-2003, 23:37: Message edited by: RickF ]

Yes, unfortunately, the GunRunner Pre 64 Extractor is junk. I laughed when I got it. I'm glad Brownells lets you send things back...

Thank the lord you are producing these extractors- you are 'it' as far as these parts are concerned, I know of no one else doing it so well. Glad you are online here.

My order is already in for the Pre 64 Std...

But I would consider a stainless short action replacement for my pet .308- just for added confidence.

The replacement extractors, Wisner's are making have an overall length of 4.50". This is .062" longer than the pre 64, and .080" longer than the current USRA powdered metal extractor.

The extra length is in the tail to help stop bind on the 375 recievers. This extra little bit won't affect the function on the short action rifles.

The cost of these extractors are 55.75 USD $

I am sorry, there are no plans for stainless steel extractors.

I hope this helps, Jim Wisner

Mr. Wisner, would the extractors fit the new montana short action? And do they require a gunsmith to install or can installation be easily explained? I do not understand how the extractor band is removed and installed. Thanks for any information you may offer.

Guys, and particularly Mr. Wisner,

Please help me understand why these are better than the original equipment. This is may be a naieve question, but I truly am not aware of the "issues" with the OEM part.

Is it the design, materials, or quality of the machining, or some combination?

I have a model 70 with the factory item, and am wondering if I should upgrade to one of these. It has not failed me yet, but I am all for improving reliability and/or function when possible.

Thanks in advance,

Bob

Mr. Wisner,

Checked out the website and noticed you also offer a replacement spring for the USRA Model 70. Will this fit one of the recently made long actioned 416 Remington Magnums? My OEM spring feels very weak and I'm concerned that it might lead to a failure to feed. Are the replacement springs stronger?

I intend to be placing an order soon for one of your extractors.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Mr. Wisner, I am glad that the internet rumours of you "pulling in your horns" were greatly exagerated!

My guess is that the Gunrunner parts are made somewhere far overseas. American workmanship couldn't be that sloppy, or could it?

I don't know you except by reputation, but will be ordering a couple of your extractors. I have heard great things about them and know some of your cleints.

Glad you and your products are still available.

Joe.

Mr Wisner, I'd be first in line to buy an extractor for my .473" bolt faced, classic stainless short action M70, and blued would be just fine. In fact your blued extractor on my classic stainless M70 express looks very nice.

Brian, I also just bought one of Wisner's mag springs for my Kimber M89, and they are indeed stronger than the factory. A cheap investment in my opinion.

BlackBart,
We have several things going on regarding the OEM extractors which I will try to explain.

Pre 64 extractors have not been available from the Winchester since 1973, Walt Lodewick in Portland OR, made a mould and cast several hundred of them. In fact the first 100 USRA claw action had his extactors in them. I machined replacements from 1986-1997. Then I sold Wisner's the tooling I had, Along with the mould I had bought from Lodewick. These are the only extractors machined to Winchester blueprints.

The current USRA extractors are made using the MIM process, This is powdered steel poured into a oversize mould. Allowed to set and then moved to another pressing set of dies. Where the part is compressed to size. It is then heat treated. Most of the time everthing works ok. But this part has a lot of thin areas that take stress. Thus the part breaks. I have seen them break in as little as 14 shots. I have also seen them last now for 8 years of use. The part is either soft, just right, or too brittle.

I hope this answers your questions.

Mr Wisner,

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

That does clear it up some, and I now feel the need for an extractor for my rifle.

One thing that is not completely clear to me however, not that it matters but I just would like to know, is what process you are using. Are your extractors completely machined from stock or moulded then mahined to specs?

Just wondering.

Bob

BlackBart,
I had the chance to pick Mr Lodewicks mould, tooling, and factory blueprints in 1994. We have never used the mould, chosing rather to machine from alloy bar stock. Just say I have too much Swiss/German blood in me, I prefer a good old machined piece of steel.

These are reproduction parts not intended to fake a collector.

The differances are as follows. The tail length is longer as talked about in my earlier post.

We have some more stamped letters, or numbers inside the part. This is so we can keep track of the 8 sizes of extractors.

The outside radius of the tail in the mid point, is not as pronounced as the factory. This is due to our cutter diameter. Also to make it visable that it is not a Winchester part.

Hope this helps. Jim Wisner

Thanks for the info!

I like your thinking in terms of a completely machined part, and will be placing an order shortly!

Bob