Why is it that two stage triggers are universally disdained by the hunting and "sporting" rifle fraternities?

Those of us who have tasted best quality two stage triggers have a hard time understanding the aversion.

Match rifle gunsmiths are able to take military two stage triggers and turn them into crisp, light, excellent triggers. And anyone who's ever used an Anschutz match two stage knows what a truly superlative trigger feels like.

I think a custom Mauser with a two stage trigger set up to have perhaps two pounds on the first stage, and 8 ounces on the second would be just about perfect.

What say ye?

I enjoy good two stage triggers. I never understood the disdain either.

I like the 2 stage triggs on my military swedes. I recently got 2 FN 98 mauser rifles with single stage original military type trigs. One I think someone cut a coil out of the spring, its about 3.5 lbs , not bad but has creep. The other rifle(same) is about 5,6 lb trigg.
I havent messed with the triggs yet but seems a 2 stage would be a safer rifle than trying to get the creep out of a single stage mauser trigger.

I like the two stage trigger too. I guess it's a well kept secret for those of us in the know.

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:
Why is it that two stage triggers are universally disdained by the hunting and "sporting" rifle fraternities?
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Beats me too. I like a light crisp letof but I don't mind it comming after a long 1st stage.
The only 2 stage I'm vaguely familiar with is the SMLE No1 Mk111. It was so easy to improve I did it myself. It then still had a very large sear bite for safety.
The new Savage trigger is supposed to be good too.
John L.

I like the two-stage triggers also. I can time my breathing with the first stage, then the second one breaks nicely. I even kept the original trigger in the mauser sporter I built. They always work fine for me!

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:
Why is it that two stage triggers are universally disdained by the hunting and "sporting" rifle fraternities?

Those of us who have tasted best quality two stage triggers have a hard time understanding the aversion.

Match rifle gunsmiths are able to take military two stage triggers and turn them into crisp, light, excellent triggers. And anyone who's ever used an Anschutz match two stage knows what a truly superlative trigger feels like.

I think a custom Mauser with a two stage trigger set up to have perhaps two pounds on the first stage, and 8 ounces on the second would be just about perfect.

What say ye?

Your specs are a little light for my tastes but other than that I prefer the two stage given a choice.

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Originally posted by cobra:
Your specs are a little light for my tastes but other than that I prefer the two stage given a choice.

No worries. I could be persuaded to add 8 ounces more to each stage.

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

Those of us who have tasted best quality two stage triggers have a hard time understanding the aversion.

OK, count me amongst those who DON'T like a two stage trigger.

I was issued a match tuned M-14 (M1A) for a while, set up as a match rifle. Didn't like the trigger a bit.

Had a Jewell (so I "have tasted best quality two stage triggers") in an AR-15 for a while, didn't like it none too well either.

I like my rifles to go BANG when I apply pressure to the trigger. I don't want to feel the trigger move, at all, before it fires. I *ESPECIALLY* don't like to feel a trigger move a BUNCH, then come to some sort of "stop", before carrying it through again to make the rifle fire.

I *tried* to make myself like them, as all of the "experts" kept saying that they were the only way to fly. I really did try to give them a chance. But in the end, I could never get used to them. I got to where I was distracted by the trigger, rather than focusing solely on the shot. ("Has it moved enough yet? Will it stop? When?"). I know, maybe my thoughts were counter to what the "experts" say, but if I'm thinking that kind of stuff, I can't be shooting to my max potential.

So, that's my High Power, or competition, reasoning.

My HUNTING reasons (and I suspect most hunters reasoning) for not liking a two stage trigger would be along the lines of the shooting is "faster", or less "prepared", than on a high power range most of the time. Hunting is not as "formal" as competition shooting. Hunters wear gloves. When a hunter decides to shoot, he usually wants to shoot NOW, not after a first stage take-up delay.

Anyway, that's my general take on the issue...

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

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Originally posted by cobra:
Your specs are a little light for my tastes but other than that I prefer the two stage given a choice.

No worries. I could be persuaded to add 8 ounces more to each stage.

HP, exactly what I had in mind.