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Hello All, I am looking for a smith who has built a rifle on a "GP" split action Martini (take down). I am being told that this action will take the pressure of the .303 Brit and others are telling me it will not!!??. Any help would be greatly appreciated concerning pressures, and if the action will accept reasonable pressure, has anyone built a 2 barrel set on this action????? Thanks in advance and God bless. cordell | ||
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You might try Bob Snapp in MI. He is an ACGG guild member and is the "guru" on Martini actions. You can find him on the ACGG website WWW.ACGG.com Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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Jim, Thanks for the heads up on Bob Snapp. I Just got off the phone with him and all I can say is WOW what a pleasure he is to deal with!! He is sending me a price list, and is sure he can take care of my needs. Thanks again and God bless. cordell | |||
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I have friends that speak well of Bob. Butch | |||
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Butch, Thanks for the input, and God bless. cordell | |||
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Glad to hear that Bob Snapp is accepting work. He's getting on in years, and the last thing I heard was he wasn't taking on any work. But, the work he does/did is awesome. Another guy to keep in mind for Martini work is Andy Manson, in Chama, New Mexico. Andy is building a 218 Bee for me on a Martini Cadet action as I type. Andy is the brother of Dave Manson, the reamer maker in Grand Blanc, Michigan. Andy is originally from Michigan and specializes in Martini's. Don | |||
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where is a good place to get small parts for one of these? | |||
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depending on what you need sarco had some martini parts | |||
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Here's what I have for Martini Parts: (Finding parts for Martini's is a crap shoot...) Parts Jemtreks http://home.winsoft.net.au/jemtrek/ (updated url January 1) Peter Dyson http://www.peterdysoncatalogue.co.uk...log/index.html Marstar http://www.marstar.ca/index.htm Hoosier Gun Works http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/index.html Gun Parts Co. or Numrich http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ The Rifle Shoppe http://www.therifleshoppe.com/Catalog.htm No Martini parts but a lot of British stuff that may work on a Snider. Lodgewood MFG. http://www.lodgewood.com/ Civil War rifle parts including Enfield The Rifle Shoppe http://www.therifleshoppe.com/english_arms.htm British rifle parts T.W. Chambers and Co. http://www.chambersgunmakers.co.uk/ Spare parts for BSA Martini 12/15 and international John Knibbs International http://www.airgunspares.com/ Search BSA by model Out Back Gun Parts 2110 McLean Ave. New Albany, IN 47150 (812) 945-0480 Wendell Allen Cadet extractors, BSA Buttplates Sights, sight parts Jim Hallam, Parker Hale sight parts classicgunco@dial.pipex.com Kirklee's Gunshophttp://www.virtualhuddersfield.com/gunshop.htm Gun barrels Shilen http://www.shilen.com/ Montana Rifleman http://www.montanarifleman.com/ Marstar http://www.marstar.ca/index.htm Pac-Nor http://www.pac-nor.com/barrels/ Empire Gunsight http://www.geocities.com/Empiregunsight/Empire.html Stocks and stock blanks Wenig’s http://www.wenig.com/ Wright’s Gunstock’s http://www.wrightsguns.com/ Goby Walnut http://www.gobywalnut.com/ Blanks only Great Americana Gunstock Co. http://www.gunstocks.com/ Boyds http://www.boydboys.com/ Gunstocks Inc. http://www.gunstocksinc.com/index.html Accouterments IMA http://www.ima-usa.com/ Atlanta Cutlery http://66.0.193.114/cgi-bin/www11651.storefront Heritage Leathers http://www.heritageleathercw.com/cgi...d=6611562.2589, Bill Doner, Proprietor. He makes leather articles using patterns drawn from the originals in the MoD Pattern Room, courtesy of "Irish Mick" Montgomery. O'Dea & Company British Military Equipments http://www.britishmilitaryequipments.com/ Irish Mick’s new online shop. The Thin Red Line http://www.thinred.co.uk/ Books and Research Material Out of print Booksellers http://abebooks.com/ Book Trail Outdoor Books http://www.booktrail.com/Default.asp lists Wal Winfer’s books Gunbooksales.com http://www.gunbooksales.com/ Mike Stegen carries all of Wolf Publishing’ books as well as Frank Dehaas’ works. Ian Skennerton http://www.skennerton.com/ The Guru! Service Publications http://www.servicepub.com/ Historical Research Internet Gunclub http://www.internetgunclub.com/index.php] Historical data base David Minshall’s site http://www.researchpress.co.uk/ Westley Richards http://www.westleyrichards.com/ under members room a serial number look up Snider rifle drill http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/B_S_M/Snider_Rifle.html Land Forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth http://www.regiments.org rorkesdriftvc.com http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/index.html | |||
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Hello DMB, & tonto, DMB, yes it appears that I am indeed fortunate, however I didn't get the impression that he was cutting back on work when I talked to him. We were kidding around about age and after he called me "young" and told me his age, I asked him if he would be willing to take on this project. His statement was "it's what I do for a living", and we went on from there. Thanks for posting the many sites for parts and giving us the heads up on Andy Manson!!!!!!! tonto, Many congratulations on your Elephant, where did you get it and what type of rifle is that!! A quick aside, but I know I am telling others who suffer from the same : : "sickness" : :. We had an occasion to visit a small town 40 some miles from our farm yesterday and just happened to run across a gun shop I hadn't been to before. There nestled among the used guns was a little Stevens 44 Ideal that had been restocked (nice wood!!) and rebarreled 1/2 oct 1/2 round. The sickness hit me, the owner and I agreed to a price, and it is now home safely!! It is now in .22 but I will probably be looking for someone to turn a barrel that I already have down to fit this forearm and do a Hornet, Bee, Zipper or??? So many projects so little time !! Take care and God bless. cordell | |||
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I spoke to Bob at a guild show after he "retired" more than just a few years ago. I asked if he was actually going to stop doing gun work and he said he was not going to do everything that came down the path. He was going to pick and choose the projects that he enjoyed working on, so you are fortunate. Bob really knows what he is doing with these unique guns. | |||
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Hello Customstox, This is indeed good news, Bob and I seem to have the same sense of humor, and he is certainly a pleasure to talk with. This rifle is something I want to pass down to my Grandson (hopefully many years from now ). The fact that Bob is doing it will make it even more attractive in my eyes, partially based on your comments. Thanks for letting us know and God bless. cordell | |||
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Thanks for all the parts info. I have an action I want to do something with. I shot my elephant in Zim a few years ago. I used a interarms 458 winmag I restocked myself. Dean | |||
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Hello Jim Kobe, butchlambert, DMB, Customstox and All, Well I talked with Bob yesterday to some extent, and the Martini "GP' take down will be on the way to him by the end of this week. We are going to start out with a 45-70 barrel, fit an extractor, bush the firing pin, and mount 3 leaf express sights. I want this to be a small fast handling rifle so the barrel will be 22" and will probably sport a full length forearm. I will try to post a picture of the wood I intend to use on this puppy for your approval. I mentioned the little 44 Stevens I picked up on the 2nd of July and my intent regarding the caliber. It seems this is an Ideal and will have to go with the 25-20, 32-20 etc route. Let me try to attach the stock blank pictures now and I can post more later. Take care and God bless. cordell ----one side of the stock has been sprayed with water to show the colors. TC&GB. --------------------------------------OOP"S my Grandson is here so I will post the pictures later. c | |||
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Cordell, please keep us posted. Butch | |||
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2nd attempt at posting the blank!! Hi all, I am having a fit trying to get these to download. If someone is willing to post these for me I will send them ASAP. Please drop me a PM and I will send the pic's. Thanks in advance and God bless. cordell | |||
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Hello all, Well I did finally get this rascal to post so I might as well get you on board as far as where I am at with Bob. He received the Martini and after some conversation and several phone calls has accepted the job. The Martini GP has a little peg (for lack of a better word) that locks the barrel in the same place every time. Bob tried a few alternatives to this feature and has decided that he will duplicate the "peg" on the new barrel "why reinvent the wheel". Now for the bad news, Bob has informed me that he is a year behind and I can expect delivery next July. I am sending him the deposit in the morning mail and will start looking for a Martini "GP" extractor in 12 gauge/ 14 gauge to help defray the cost of Bob making one from scratch. I will keep you all posted as we progress. However I could use a little help with finding an extractor if anyone has any secret places for me to look. Thanks in advance and God bless. cordell | |||
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Cordell, if that Martini of yours does not have a safety catch Bob makes one, he has installed it on two BSAs for me. | |||
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vigillinus, This came with a safety that actually works, but I will have Bob give it the once over anyway. What type of Martini's did you have the safeties installed on?? Take care and God bless. cordell | |||
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The detachable action BSA target rifle, usually seen as the model 12 or 12/15, made in .22LR and a few in .22 Hornet. | |||
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Hello all, The Martini is back and the stock has been installed! We did not use the blank I pictured, I had a stock and forearm blank that I had been hoarding for the past 20+++ years and we decided to go with that. Two days after I dropped the stock off I received a call and was told there wasn't enough wood to work with on the buttstock I dropped off. Apparently the GP action is a bit wider than the MH??? Long story short I headed back down taking my blank with me and was fortunate enough to find (at the stock makers shop) a piece of wood that I could afford, and that had some character!!! I received the rifle several weeks ago and although there are a few things I am going to change I am very satisfied. Now for the pictures! I am going to have to figure out how I posted the last ones so bear with me on this, if I remember correctly it took me a lifetime to post the one picture of the original blank, and I want to post 7 pictures???? Any help would certainly be appreciated. BTW I dropped off another project a .458WM on a 1917 action when I picked up the Snapp rifle.... O.K. I will close for now and see who all is still following this thread. Take care and God bless. cordell | |||
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email em to me...I will post them in a jiffy Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Sounds like a great rifle, I am anxious for the pics. I use imageshack to host photos. After the photos are uploaded they provide the forum coding needed to post the pics directly into a forum post. Email the pics and I can post them for you if you want. Forrest NRA Life Member GOA Life Member Distinguished Rifleman President's Hundred | |||
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Mike and Forrest, Thank you both for the kind offer, there are actually more than 7 (very poor) pictures so I will put you both to work. Mike I have yours but Forrest if you will send me your email address (rcberbrsb@yahoo.com) I will get a batch right back to you. Mike I am in the same boat where the check book is concerned! I did a few stocks from scratch back in the 60's and early 70's and decided that since Xanex had not been invented yet I had better stick to writting a check!! As far as the pictures are concerned I don't really have any truly good ones so we will have to wait until my Daughter comes for a visit to get a few decent shots. While we wait these will just have to to do ;-). Thanks again, and Mike yours are on the way!! Take care and God bless. | |||
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pics for cordell Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Hello Mike, Thank you for the INSTANT!!!! posting of the pictures. Where to begin? Picture #1, show the Martini "GP" TD with the barrell installed, still sporting the original stock. The 12 gauge barrel can be seen in the top right corner of the picture (barely)... Picture #2, Shows the 4 leaf express sights 50-100-150-200yds. Picture #3, Shows the entire barrel and the under bar that was needed to support the locking mechanism?? that holds the barrel into the action.. Well actually this bar just stops the barrel in the same location each time it is installed and the locking screw holds it in. Picture #4, I left the lever original in case my Grandchildren wanted to sell it one day for $100 and someone wanted to talk them down due to the fact the lever had been changed ;-).. Picture #5, This shows one of many bad pictures of the stock. It truly shows better and was the end result of many blanks we looked at (ummm that I could afford) Picture #6, Another bad picture of the stock. Picture #7, This shows the forearm with the rosewood cap. It was left extra full and this is going to be one of the items I change. I want to slim the forearm down and use ebony or horn for the tip. Picture # 8, Shows another view of the thick forearm. Mike, thanks again for posting these, I figure this will give us enough to start a conversation and I will post more later. Take care and God bless. cordell | |||
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