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Curious mostly, would you cut the receiver on the right side to allow for a longer loaded round?. The one I saw was a short action, it was notched out to about half the distance to the bolt locking lug. barrel was a 1" of 26" long chambered in 30/06.
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Not only would I, I have done so. So have Winchester and FN. As in all things, there are limits. Regards, Bill
 
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It's sort of been done to death on both the front and rear bridges. In theory, the gas handling capabilities are reduced a bit if you overdo the the front. I know for a fact that the bolt gets more bindy as you notch or cut the rear bridge back. Both in moderation don't seem to cause too much of a problem.


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
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Half the distance to the locking lug? Yes it was done on FN mausers in 30-06 on the top, for clip loading. And pre 64 Model 70s on top of the ring; and slightly on the right; for H&H. But there is no reason to do it now.
Of course it ain't going to blow up; it's just ugly.
Cut the feed ramp? sure, they did that, too, but that is not done any more either. OP wasn't asking about that.
Anyway, cutting a short action receiver ring side, to eject a cartridge that you can't fit into the magazine, is a waste of a good action. Hack job.
Rear bridge? Cut that all you want.
 
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It's one of those engineers OCD thingys Tom. The 500 A Square will clearly fit into a Remington 700 magazine. I know because I've built a couple. The action is not exactly safe with it at full pressure, in my opinion. But it's been done to death. But how can you get those big, long, asparagus stalks into a short little loading port? From an engineers point of view, it simply can not be done. And it's not like an engineer can have a 5 year old with him 24-7-365 to load his gun for him! So, make a couple of cuts so that they will fit! No problem.

500 A Square by Rod Henrickson, on Flickr


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
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And it's not like an engineer can have a 5 year old with him 24-7-365 to load his gun for him!

Now that is funny right there!


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Thanks It looked like a well done mill job, the barrel had Ken Howell's name on it.
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Just to add; the notch is there so you can eject a loaded cartridge; there is usually room to eject brass. I built two 375 Flanged mags on Mosin actions. It is too short to allow ejection of loaded rounds and I will not mill out the receiver.
Solution is very simple and easy, and you don't have to be an engineer to implement it.
All rounds that are inserted into the chamber, will be fired.
It works.
 
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DPCD,
Instead of shooting any chambered round how about just releasing the bolt and clearing the action by withdrawing the round with the bolt?
 
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Instead of shooting any chambered round how about just releasing the bolt and clearing the action by withdrawing the round with the bolt?


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The only problem with that technique is that, customers poke you in the nose when you suggest it. Customers have no sense of humor!


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
Rod Henrickson
 
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Shazammm.

Enfields were doing "The Notch" 100 years ago.

I have seem 'em deeper.

 
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Back in basic military training one of my favorite commands was "To The Rear, March".

For extending a port to take those big honking cartridges: "To The Rear, Notch".

Just do not forget to work over the bolt stop.

The Enfield in the above photo has a lot more machining to do.
 
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Jerry, good thinking, except it won't work. The ejector won't let the bolt retract past the point that it hits the case rim, still trying to eject the round, which, with no notch in the receiver, which I refuse to install, results in everything staying where it is. So, shoot it out. Or leave it in.
Oh, can't help it; but my first job was in a Basic Training Company. . I watched the drill sergeants do their thing for a year. And led or was in many formations including one Mounted Tank Battalion pass in review, with 54 tanks. Ok, all 54 never ran at one time so we had about 50.
Anyway, There is no command, "To the Rear", contrary to popular thinking.
It is "Rear, March".
FM22-5, chapter. 3. I still remember all that stuff. Scary.
 
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Jerry, good thinking, except it won't work. The ejector won't let the bolt retract past the point that it hits the case rim, still trying to eject the round, which, with no notch in the receiver, which I refuse to install, results in everything staying where it is. So, shoot it out. Or leave it in.
Oh, can't help it; but my first job was in a Basic Training Company. . I watched the drill sergeants do their thing for a year. And led or was in many formations including one Mounted Tank Battalion pass in review, with 54 tanks. Ok, all 54 never ran at one time so we had about 50.
Anyway, There is no command, "To the Rear", contrary to popular thinking.
It is "Rear, March".
FM22-5, chapter. 3. I still remember all that stuff. Scary.


Then all the Marine Corps DIs had it wrong, or maybe they were using a different FM. Or maybe the Army does it different.

I still remember all that stuff.
 
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Backward, March is in Chapter 3

Rear, March in Chapter 5

https://www1.udel.edu/armyrotc...20&%20Ceremonies.pdf

just sayin... Big Grin


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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That is a 1986 version; much later than when I was in the BCT company. The chapters are different.
FM22-5 is an Army publication; I did some research and found that the USMC uses SECNAV INSTRUCTION 5060.22.
And they do use the command. "To the Rear, March".
The Army uses, Rear March.
The Air Force command is, "Another Drink. Please"
 
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Hey, I was impressed you knew the manual. I think it is hilarious one can even find such things.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Crap is stuck in my brain from all manner of useless stuff I have done.
 
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In 1969 it was "to the rear, march" or just "rear march" depending on who was giving the command. As I recall, the "March" command was given when the right foot hit and the pivot was executed on the left foot. Been a while. I actually liked marching. Regards, Bill
 
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All of my marching experience was with a sousaphone. Tremendous respect for all those who have had to do it with a rifle!!!


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When I went through Basic at Ft. Polk in '67 it was "Rear March". The Drill Sergeants were quite emphatic on that point as only Drill Sergeants can be.
 
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Grandson's 600 Remington.

 
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Never retreat, it was "Advance to the Rear".
 
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Thanks that was what I was looking at only diffrence was the milled slot was a lot longer .
something new to me
 
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Well...now have a couple more chapters for my book
 
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NA HA. That sounds like (Excuse number 17 for not writing your book), Duane. When people ask me how my book is coming along, I tell them: "I'm so damned busy thinking about writing it, that I haven't had time to start it yet!" To be honest, I don't know what number excuse that one is. I've made so damned many - - - - - - - - - - - -


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
Rod Henrickson
 
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My latest excuse is. "Well, Hell, Duane Wiebe knows a lot more than I do, I'll just wait for his". Regards, Bill
 
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There's no point in me doing it, because Billy Leeper told me that Wiebe is damned near finished his ! No need for repetition.


When I was a kid. I had the stick. I had the rock. And I had the mud puddle. I am as adept with them today, as I was back then. Lets see today's kids say that about their IPods, IPads and XBoxes in 45 years!
Rod Henrickson
 
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