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This is an interesting new development I was not aware of, from Holt's Auction site: "IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR U.S. BIDDERS. Please note that under current rulings enforced by BATF any Mauser 98 actioned sporting rifle REGARDLESS OF ORIGINAL APPLICATION that has a thumb recess in the sidewall and loading-clip cut-out in the rear bridge will be refused an import permit into the United States." NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | ||
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I wondered how long it take before they caught on to the real purpose of that thumb cut.  That thumb cut identifies it as a military weapon and by God we can't have none of that stuff showing up anymore. Those with upper handguards and removeable floor plates will be next._______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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That should put a dent in the number of hold-ups and drive-bys commited with M98's every year. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Fortunately, I think you can still import the clips. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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I'd like to see the official wording, but if there's thumb cut "and" can it have either or? Wouldn't take much to modify the clip slot so that it would no longer function as a clip slot...or would the morons enforcing such rules know the difference btwn. functional and non functional | |||
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Given the age of these "weapons" and their primary(only) use as sporting rifles. How can any reasonble and informed person justify a ban. The BATF wonders why some people look at them with disdain.  "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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If thats the first time you have ever gotten  on here consider yourself lucky. | |||
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I think this is still something new because a couple years ago I had 3 Oberndorf sporters held up over this very issue. However, when I sent the ATF photo copies of the exact models of rifles I wanted to import, showing that they were indeed originally sporting rifles and were never military rifles, they agreed and let me have them. But apparently now any pre-war Mauser with thumb cut/charger clip, military or commercial sporter, is not allowable. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Wouldn't surprise me, sad to say. It fits with the typical government approach of using a sledgehammer to crack walnuts. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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What The He** Id like to know who the genius's are that made up this dumbass rule. Anyway to overturn this crap? | |||
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All the batf is is a bunch of F@#%&^G idiots!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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We can all argue the intellect of this decision or we can galvanize. Seems to me we should ask the NRA and others to write BATF requesting a review and recision of this ruling. Then seek friendly members of Congress to apply pressure. What say you? Jim | |||
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what it is, is another end-around on banning a firearm- slippery slope. | |||
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Maybe its an end around effort to help out the faltering U.S. Gun Manufacturing industry. | |||
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Just wait fellas. And remember, President Obama has a plan for all you high-powered sniper rifle enthusiasts. Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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I once subscribed to "small arms review" magazine that seemed to keep track of all the BATF rulings, and each time they got over turned in court. e.g. the ruling that the contender single shot could be assembled into a pistol or a rifle, and so needed to be registered. What does it all mean? There is a paper towel dispenser in a rest room in DC with these words written on it, "BATF RULINGS". | |||
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I take it there's a problem with initial import, but how about taking a currently owned rifle out of the country and then bringing it back? | |||
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Those words REALLY belong on the rolls of toilet paper.  ************************ Our independence is dying. | |||
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Guess this means the price of surplus actions is going to go through the roof much the way the price of fuel is. definition BATF: SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT. WTF WTF WTF WTF. I've just upgraded my NRA life membership to patron level and now this sh1t.  We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Maybe someone that likes researching bureaucratic BS can find this law. http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/ | |||
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I think pretty much all the military mausers have been imported already, that seemed to kinda dryup the last couple years. doesn't mean the law is any good though in times when one needs a rifle, he tends to need it very badly.....PHC | |||
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Totally stupid You can still import a military Mauser but not a commercial Mauser with a thumb cut. What is the limit on how retarded the BATF can get? Is the BATFs mission statement: "Be as retarded as we can be, while wasting as much of the tax payers money as possible insuring our continued employment." | |||
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An individual never could import a military Mauser using a Form 6. Licensed commercial importers like Sarco, etc. will still be able to import Mausers, military or otherwise. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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So...has anybody actually talked to BATF and asked them about this... This kinda smells like the whole Don Causey let me hype up the Zimbabwe arms embargo thing that when I actually talked to the State Department...the State Department said...does not apply Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I work for an importer, and asked the boss about this today. It's an old ruling. No one can bring what was originally a military Mauser and has been sporterized into the country. There may be a few exemptions, one of which, he suggested, is the Czechs. You may be able to import an original Mauser sporter, ie, Type A, Type B, etc., but you'd have to wangle with the bureaucrats. And... just to be fair, some BATF agents are stand up folks. They're not all ogres. flaco | |||
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Flaco, Yes, this thread is kind of a bad rumor hokes. That Notice on Holts site is incorect because Holts is confused. I got the correct imfo from a gun importer also | |||
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