Well, if you do not know the difference between a barrel-band safety and a barrel-band swivel, you should just resign from this forum

I was wondering if any of the Gunsmiths on here have converted a saftey on a CZ to a wing type? How much machining needs done? How much would it cost minus parts. I am thing for less than $100.00 I can have a hindged floor plate made.

Just my personal opinion and maybe hypocritical too as I use a Mod. 70, w/the 3-position safety, but I consider them a waste of motion, and hence slow, and maybe dangerous. Maybe not a big deal, but it is when hunting dangerous game.

The alternative to keeping the rifle on SAFE is to have the safety half-way in the mid-position, but then have to worry about whether one is going to knock the bolt handle up by accident.

Unless you have your heart set on it....I wouldn't waste my money for such a thing.

(This usually inflames the M-70 troops ).

Are you looking to do a Mauser-type wing safety or a M70 3-position safety? The former would entail finding a new shroud that fits or fitting a new shroud. I don't think that this is a $100 job. A new in-the-white shroud costs around $30 from Brownell's, last time I looked, but according to Ed at AHR, the M98 shroud doesn't exactly fit the CZ action so it would have to be custom fitted and gunsmith's don't come cheap . . . and the one's that do I worry about. I am assuming that you don't intend to use a scope with this rifle, otherwise you would be far better off with the M70 type. Actually, I believe that you will find that the M70 was expressly designed for scopes which is why most people prefer them. Ray, Will and I are equally comfortable with iron sights of some sort so the wing style will work just fine, especially on a DGR because G isn't D unless you're up close and personal. Have I helped or just confused things more?

This is covered elsewhere but I believe the cocking piece threads on a CZ firing pin are different from Mauser, too. The easiest and certainly the fastest is to get on of Jim Wisner's wqing safeties made expressly for the CZ including a proper cocking piece; $220.00.

Is that a 505 Joe Bob Briggs or a 505 Briggs & Stratton?



PS: I think it's "Wisner the Younger" and so far not a grouch at all.

Not to be picky but what is a barrel-band safety? Sounds like something I might want to avoid.

Will,
i think you are kidding... but wouldn't a barrel band SAFETY be the same thing as a demilled enfield with a pin through the barrel?

LOL

jeffe

Will, as dumb as I am about most things i should have never been allowed to register. Thanks to Saeed's "no censorship'" policy now I am one of yu!

Funny, I didn't think I was hung over when I typed that.

Well, if young Wisner has to deal with people like me all day, it won't take long!

For those interested:

I spoke to J.L. Wisner (the younger) on Friday. First, he's not a grouch and answered my questions patiently. He is in the process of finishing up Model 70 style safeties for the CZ's. If you want one, he asks you send an email to get on his list.

After the one's for the CZ are finished, he's going to start on the safeties for Mauser 98's. He also strongly hinted that these may be the last runs of 3 position safeties that he makes. Too many other projects.

-Brian

I hate the magizine. The saftey works in reverse of the Remington I have and they are a pain in the ass. Pros are they really shoot and a really cheap compared to other brands. The $100.00 came from reworking bottom metal from another type bolt action. I did not know about the safety. I was looking for a Ruger 77 or Win Mod 70 type. I have even seen them for Remington. I did not know how big of an expense it would be to have it converted. Sounds like for the extra money I will look for donor actions of other makes to have rifels built from.

You might want to check, I thought that a mod70 style safety was an option on the CZ's, I even called them at one point and asked. If i remember right it is pretty much drop in (from what the fella on the phone said) and was under 150 I think.

I can second what was said about Wisner not being a grouch, not at all. Very nice, and has a wealth of knowledge. I spent quite a while talking to him at a show and he was patient when explaining things to a layperson like me.

Red

When I do that I just blame it on PWI. (Posting while intoxicated).

Folks,

I have not seen one, but I believe that CZ offer the opition of a factory fitted 3 position safety on the 550. If so, hound the people at CZ USA enough and you might just be able to buy as a replacement.

As for me, I am with Will in that I prefer a safety that I can slide forward not one that swings out to the side. I would like an extention put on the existing safety making it easier to reach. Or better get, lets have a tang mounted safety which is where a safety should be!

Regards

Pete

Regards,

Pete

That's probably as good an excuse as any. However, I am now back to sort of the original problem . . . even given that Wisner is much more patient with fools than is his esteemed father (and the man is a genius with metal) the safety that has appeared under discussion is the M70. Is this what we are defining as a "wing" safety? That word would seem more to describe the original M98 and, reprobate that I am, what I want on an iron sighted rifle. I have a Wisner M70 on my .450 Rigby and it is wonderful, however, since the behemoth will never see a scope (and neither would a hypothetical .505) I am wondering about the possibility of making that kind of switch. A factory M70 for $150 more certainly is an attractive alternative, if there is no other way, but not exactly what I would want. Pout, pout.

Flag and wing safety are the same. The original Mauser 98 safety is called a Fl�gelsicherung , which translates to Wing Safety . The word Flag comes from a mis-translation of the prefix Fl�g . Fortunately, the word fits, as the safety also resembles a flag.



The only possible reason I can think of for folks often calling the model 70 safety a wing is because it is located on the side, where a wing might be located on a body.

Yes but if you re-read my post you will see I am refering to the famous "Wqing" safety which is another thing altogether.

OldSarge
The reason my father seems to be a grouch is that he got sick and tired of having to fix other gunsmiths (parts replacers) repair attempts. When he shut the Gunshop down in 1994, they were warranty for 8 gun companys. They were repairing over 3500 guns a year, with 5 full time gunsmiths on staff.

Then he started making the reproduction parts.

Now that I bought him out this past January he has more time to go fishing.

DagoRed
The three position safety CZ USA refers to is a replacement lever that goes back in the tang to replace the two position lever that came with the gun.

Jim Wisner
Custom Metalsmith

Jim,
Probably another reason was that he had to deal with people like me who took up his time on the phone with questions when he needed to work! May he catch many lunkers.

First of all, the only true safety is that sloppy, wet, spongy gray thing between your ears.<br /><br />Sorry, but I had to say that. Every so-called expert does. Then he makes sure he has the best mechanical safety on his rifle he can get.<br /><br />Just like every quasi-socialist I've ever met. They all preach redistribution of wealth while at the same time they own the biggest houses they can possibly afford.<br /><br />Now, as to the best mechanical safety on a conventional bolt action rifle? Why, that's the three position wing safety right smack on the back of the bolt, first dreamed up by Mauser and later perfected for scope use by Winchester. (Note: I have to qualify this statement by referring to "conventional" bolt actions to distinguish the Blaser R93, which has the best mechanical safety ever made.)<br /><br />When pulled all the way back, it cams the cocking piece out of contact with the sear and locks the bolt (and not just the trigger like some of these "modern day" contraptions).<br /><br />When moved forward to the second position, it keeps the cocking piece out of engagement with the sear but unlocks the bolt for ease of unloading.<br /><br />When pushed full stop forward, with the proper pressure on the trigger the rifle goes BANG!<br /><br />It isn't necessary, but it sure is the best.