Despite the arguments pro and con, I know where I'll be getting my next custom..D'Arcy Echols is da man! Just in case anyone has forgotten about other companies with unlimited lifetime warrantees....Freedom Arms on the Premier grade
Leupold on just about all their scopes,

Dillon on all blue presses...even when found rusted solid, if you send them to Dillon you will receive a brand new press no questions asked!

In this day of lawsuits that abound I applaud and admire the integrity of Mr Echols in honoring his warranty despite conditions of how the stock broke!

Andy

I would hesitate to hire 22WRF because of his repetition of the word "theirself", a nonstandard regional pronoun which does not belong in a written communication by a lawyer.

Mr. Echols is a smart businessman. He runs his business like a business. Unlike most gunsmiths.
1. He does good quality work.
2. He uses quality parts. In this case with an unconditional guarantee.
3. He charges a price for his rifles that have a profit margin built into them. This allows him go beyond most others in the warranty.
4. In posting here he stops any possible rumors about one of his rifles getting broken, he gets free advertising, and he builds trust with
potential customers.
As to ACGG members. They seem to charge their customers what amounts to wholesale prices. Cost of parts and labor. Zero profit margin.
I doubt that any of them could afford to replace a stock that was broken in a fall. Even if they wanted to. Also, there is a lot of difference between replacing a fiberglass stock and a custom walnut stock.

Well, my hat is off to Echols.
It is one thing for McMillian to replace the stock, but DE is going above and beyond to do the "work" to fit everything back together...

WELL DONE in my book.

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
I would hesitate to hire 22WRF because of his repetition of the word "theirself", a nonstandard regional pronoun which does not belong in a written communication by a lawyer.

You would prefer maybe F. Lee Bailey?

You are a fool.

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
I would hesitate to hire 22WRF because of his repetition of the word "theirself", a nonstandard regional pronoun which does not belong in a written communication by a lawyer.

I stand corrected, but will probably continue to use the word anyway. Thankfully there are a lot of attorneys in the phone book for people to choose from.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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I will say Z1R that it is nice of you to post under your own name for a changer instead of that caustic rem721 handle you formerly posted under.

ZLR is Rem721? So ZLR, it was you who wrote all of those very nasty pm's to me? I hope you will allow me to buy you a beer at the ACGG digs in Reno.

I know both those gentleman and they are NOT the same person.

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
I would hesitate to hire 22WRF because of his repetition of the word "theirself", a nonstandard regional pronoun which does not belong in a written communication by a lawyer.

My research indicates that that "nonstandard regional pronoun" has been in use for approximately 700 years. Whether it meets with the approval of the word police or not is really immaterial, it still is what it is and is easily understood by anyone who speaks English. The use of common words and usages should not be assumed to mean the thoughts or logic of the user are faulty. See many of Lincoln's letters, etc.

All that discussion aside, I applaud Mr. Echols for his business approach and actions in this case.

Technically, their is "himself," "herself," "itself" and "themselves," but no "themself" or "theirself."

Anyone who uses the word "theirself" - whether orally, verbally or writingly - is just showing that they'res something wrong with theirselves.

There thoughts and logic are highly suspect, as is they're general brain power; there bound to become the hapless victims of a creeping socialism.

That is just my opinion; their are many others.

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Originally posted by duikerman:

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
I would hesitate to hire 22WRF because of his repetition of the word "theirself", a nonstandard regional pronoun which does not belong in a written communication by a lawyer.

You would prefer maybe F. Lee Bailey?

You are a fool.

I can assure you that vigillinus is NOT a fool.

As a regional-English speaker, rural resident, Southern redneck, English Major, occasional writer and public speaker not to mention full-time opinion expresser and general asshole, I personally can also assure you that we are all judged by our public persona(e). If we wish to be considered to be, shall we say, educationally challenged, then we might well use such expressions in all seriousness.

If, OTOH, we want to be considered to be knowledgeable and well-informed, with opinions worth evaluation by others, then we'll be careful to employ usages that reflect our supposed knowledge and expertise.

You, sir, are the fool.
Regards, Joe

I agree with "Viginillus" in that when a lawyer speaks to issues of law, the grammatical quality of said commentary is very important and can affect the issues concerned. I had typed a post about this, but, since I did not wish to detract from D'Arcy's thread, decided to leave it.

Regional dialects are not appropriate in professional commentaries in any profession I know of and the frequent use thereof simply demonstrates a questionable level of practice and ability.

It IS, however, evidence of ...creeping socialism... to accept flawed and confusing usage, as in " like that whole number, you know, man?".......I "rest my case".....

Gentleman

I am not arguing a case here. Rather, I am engaging in a discussion on AR. My profession has nothing to do with my argument, and neither does yours.

Your arguments are ad hominum. You cannot come up with a good counter argument to mine without attacking me personally. That is much worse than making a grammatical error every now and then.

I once had a very good lawyer tell me that what makes a great lawyer is someone who can admit they made a mistake. I make a lot of them!

Dewey

I have read a lot of your stuff here on AR. Your complaints about what is going on there in BC are very much about creeping socialism. You don't like it anymore than I do.

Tanker

"I know both those gentleman and they are NOT the same person."

Thank you for clearing that up. And being the gentleman that I am, I will not ask you to reveal your confidence.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Gentlemen

I once had a very good lawyer tell me that what makes a great lawyer is someone who can admit they made a mistake. I make a lot of them!

So does this make you a great lawyer?

Well, my learned friend, I submit that you are in error with respect to your understanding of BC resource politics. We DO suffer from a ...creeping... problem, but, it is a "corporatist-statist" one, not a ...socialist... one.

However, the effect upon the people here is much the same, as with "Nazism" and "Stalinism".....getting closer to these situations in North America every day.

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Originally posted by craigster:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Gentlemen

I once had a very good lawyer tell me that what makes a great lawyer is someone who can admit they made a mistake. I make a lot of them!

So does this make you a great lawyer?

What makes me a good lawyer is my compassion for people who are broke or unfortunate in some other way. Call up Legal Aid Society of Minneapolis or Volunteer Lawyers Network of Minneapolis or Legal Assistance of Dakota County and ask them how much pro bono work I did this last year (even while I was fighting prostate cancer) and I think you will agree.

I never ceased to be amazed the way these threads go off into the hinterland...oh well!

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
I never ceased to be amazed the way these threads go off into the hinterland...oh well!

neither do I, but thats what makes AR such a great place!!!!

So what we really have here is a pat on the back/atta boy for DArcy_Echols_Co and also the same for McMillan Stocks.

Both of whom well deserve such accolades as I have found by personal experience. I like some Micky stocks so much, such as the AHR-CZ-550 one and Hill Country Dakota one I recently scored, that I am buying a CZ to use the former on!

Now, to be "ad hominem", THAT is being a gunnut!

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by craigster:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
Gentlemen

I once had a very good lawyer tell me that what makes a great lawyer is someone who can admit they made a mistake. I make a lot of them!

So does this make you a great lawyer?

What makes me a good lawyer is my compassion for people who are broke or unfortunate in some other way. Call up Legal Aid Society of Minneapolis or Volunteer Lawyers Network of Minneapolis or Legal Assistance of Dakota County and ask them how much pro bono work I did this last year (even while I was fighting prostate cancer) and I think you will agree.

Good on ya!

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
ZLR is Rem721? So ZLR, it was you who wrote all of those very nasty pm's to me? I hope you will allow me to buy you a beer at the ACGG digs in Reno.

I know both those gentleman and they are NOT the same person.

You should stick to selling government issue boots. At least you know something about that.

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Originally posted by duikerman:

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
ZLR is Rem721? So ZLR, it was you who wrote all of those very nasty pm's to me? I hope you will allow me to buy you a beer at the ACGG digs in Reno.

I know both those gentleman and they are NOT the same person.

You should stick to selling government issue boots. At least you know something about that.

Your ignorance is amazing. You obviosly dont know either individual. I consider Z1R a very good friend and have spent quite a bit of time with him in person. I also know REM721 on a first name basis and had several phone calls with him. It is NOT Z1R. You should know your facts about a person before you go off spouting.

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Originally posted by duikerman:

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Originally posted by z1r:
In other words, what you are complaining about is that it is a quality product? You'd prefer a less expensive product that wasn't manufactured to last is what it sounds like.

Like you said, consumers expect a quarantee, it would be the end of a manufacturer if they decided not to warantee their product. To me it seems they have no choice but to warantee their products in order to remain competetive.

No matter how you slice it, quality costs, period!

If there is anyone with credibility here is is 22WRF as his advice in the WFHein fiacso thread was found later to be dead on the money.

Had the folks listened to him instead of rushing to suit and hiring lawyers, remember they was even going to take his toothbrush, they would have been money ahead.

Instead they have more expenses and absolutely nothing to show for it, not even a toothbrush!

I will say Z1R that it is nice of you to post under your own name for a changer instead of that caustic rem721 handle you formerly posted under.

You have learned something but would do well to read 22WRF's posts with a bit more credibility instead of rushing to criticize.

By the way, my hat is off to the Echol's company for treating the customer well.

Kevin,

You are one to talk about posting under multiple names. Or should I call you Blue or the name you had before that?

How can one argue successfully against an opponent with multiple personalities? My guess is I can't so I won't even try.

But to attack Bill Berger is low even for you.

Wait a minute, I thought there was something a bit familiar here and it is that this is the same lawyer who used to whinge about all sorts of issues and did not make a decent living as he practiced "pro bono"???????

Sonofablueyedbitch, NOW I recall this guy!!!!

I will leave it there, but, I have my own opinion as to his behaviour.

Yup, 22WRF, AKA Ol' Blue.

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Originally posted by z1r:

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Originally posted by duikerman:

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Originally posted by z1r:
In other words, what you are complaining about is that it is a quality product? You'd prefer a less expensive product that wasn't manufactured to last is what it sounds like.

Like you said, consumers expect a quarantee, it would be the end of a manufacturer if they decided not to warantee their product. To me it seems they have no choice but to warantee their products in order to remain competetive.

No matter how you slice it, quality costs, period!

If there is anyone with credibility here is is 22WRF as his advice in the WFHein fiacso thread was found later to be dead on the money.

Had the folks listened to him instead of rushing to suit and hiring lawyers, remember they was even going to take his toothbrush, they would have been money ahead.

Instead they have more expenses and absolutely nothing to show for it, not even a toothbrush!

I will say Z1R that it is nice of you to post under your own name for a changer instead of that caustic rem721 handle you formerly posted under.

You have learned something but would do well to read 22WRF's posts with a bit more credibility instead of rushing to criticize.

By the way, my hat is off to the Echol's company for treating the customer well.

Kevin,

You are one to talk about posting under multiple names. Or should I call you Blue or the name you had before that?

How can one argue successfully against an opponent with multiple personalities? My guess is I can't so I won't even try.

But to attack Bill Berger is low even for you.

Wait a minute here. I quoted from Duikerman.
Bill Quoted from me. Where did I attack Bill Berger? I consider Bill a friend, and have had a few dealing with him that went very well. Here is what I said to him.

Tanker

Thank you for clearing that up. And being the gentleman that I am, I will not ask you to reveal your confidence.

Craigster. Maybe I should just change it to my real name Kevin since everyone knows it anyway.
Can I do that Jeffee?

Dewey. Yes, I still do a considerable amount of pro bono work. Are you still Kutenaymountainboy and Kutenay.

Nope, my wife wanted me to use pseudonyms on the gun forums due to the sensitive nature of her career, she is a former medical pro. who now works with divers barristers in a highly vulnerable position involving injured people and she and her colleagues receive death threats....life, eh? But, I prefer to use my name and if someone comes to our home to seek my demise for my posts, well, I can deal with it.

I "thought" you seemed slightly familiar and now I know. How are you doing overall?

WOW!ya mean 22WRF is ol'Blue

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
I never ceased to be amazed the way these threads go off into the hinterland...oh well!

Mr. Wiebe

Seeing as how you posted here on this topic, let me ask you.

If someone who owns one of your custom rifles falls down on a hunt and breaks the wood, do you replace the wood and labor free of charge?

Just curious.

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
I never ceased to be amazed the way these threads go off into the hinterland...oh well!

Mr. Wiebe

Seeing as how you posted here on this topic, let me ask you.

If someone who owns one of your custom rifles falls down on a hunt and breaks the wood, do you replace the wood and labor free of charge?

Just curious.

Since we are already in the HINTERLAND: I've replaced custom made broken fishing rods at no charge. The blanks were replaced by Sabre or other reputable blank makers but the $200.00+ labor I put into them was my loose. That was the name of the game, however. roger

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Originally posted by duikerman:

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Originally posted by M1Tanker:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
ZLR is Rem721? So ZLR, it was you who wrote all of those very nasty pm's to me? I hope you will allow me to buy you a beer at the ACGG digs in Reno.

I know both those gentleman and they are NOT the same person.

You should stick to selling government issue boots. At least you know something about that.

Well this is what I have to add to this my dad can beat your dad's ass... And you are pee pee head.. Hey Bill don't let this assbag get to you shit look where he is from LOL.. I consider Bill a damn good friend . So Mr. Duikerman please insert big stick up your ass and take two tylenol cause you are true tool bag... you can stick to selling cheeseburgers cause that is the only thing you are good at... One last thing yes I will take fries with that as well... So Son go ring that up...

All I can do is laugh!

I bet D'Arcy never thought his post would end up a train wreck.

Way to go D'Arcy. That's the kind of service that keeps people coming back. I'm glad you're in a position to be able to do it.

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by 22WRF:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
I never ceased to be amazed the way these threads go off into the hinterland...oh well!

Mr. Wiebe

Seeing as how you posted here on this topic, let me ask you.

If someone who owns one of your custom rifles falls down on a hunt and breaks the wood, do you replace the wood and labor free of charge?

Just curious.

Since we are already in the HINTERLAND: I've replaced custom made broken fishing rods at no charge. The blanks were replaced by Sabre or other reputable blank makers but the $200.00+ labor I put into them was my loose. That was the name of the game, however. roger

I encourage my customers to insure their guns. but I have never been put to the test . There's a lot of $$$ difference in a molded SYNTHETRIC) stock and hand carved wood.

In the interest of PR, I would easily replace a synthetic, since it's a relative cheap commodity. A wood stock..the answer is "no" unless it failed due to recoil, etc.

Can we get pictures of the sheep too, if/when he gets him?

It is probably impossible to make a rifle which won't be damaged in a fall but D'Arcy has done his best to do so. In the event that one does break (and we know it can't be prevented) he offers an unconditional garantee. This is a large part of what he is selling along with a generous amount of exclusivity. The customer pays for it, deserves it, and thanks to D'arcy Echols' integrity, gets it.
If the hunter had gotten the rifle from Bill Leeper, he would have paid much less, when he bragged about his rifle to his friends they would have said "Bill who?", and if he fell on his butt and broke the stock he would have gotten some sympathy and an admonition to watch where he was stepping!
I'm a believer in people taking resposibility for their own mistakes but, if they pay for the piece of mind and the service they deserve it. That the maker means what he says when he garantees his product is evidence of his astuteness and his integrity. Regards, Bill

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The customer pays for it, deserves it, and thanks to D'arcy Echols' integrity, gets it.

Exactly!

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It is probably impossible to make a rifle which won't be damaged in a fall but D'Arcy has done his best to do so. In the event that one does break (and we know it can't be prevented) he offers an unconditional garantee. This is a large part of what he is selling along with a generous amount of exclusivity. The customer pays for it, deserves it, and thanks to D'arcy Echols' integrity, gets it.
If the hunter had gotten the rifle from Bill Leeper, he would have paid much less, when he bragged about his rifle to his friends they would have said "Bill who?", and if he fell on his butt and broke the stock he would have gotten some sympathy and an admonition to watch where he was stepping!
I'm a believer in people taking resposibility for their own mistakes but, if they pay for the piece of mind and the service they deserve it. That the maker means what he says when he garantees his product is evidence of his astuteness and his integrity. Regards, Bill

"Bill who"
That was a very good post which got right to the "meat and taters" of the question.

However, I think you might be being a tad modest. I have talked to several people in B.C. about a certain Bill Leeper and not one of them said "Bill who".

Basicaly i find it excelent that the company replaced the stock, under MacMillans warranty.
The most excelent is the marketing value of the company to post of its own excelencies, and get 2 pages og fre add om AR.

If the original post was made by the customer, it would have ben fine, But when the original post was made by the company itselve, it is what i call free marketing

Just like my favorite dish, A free meal

I have to apologize to 22WRF for a nasty wisecrack. I don't change my opinion but should have kept it to myself.

D'Arcy is a standup guy and this reminds me of a conversation I was having yesterday with somebody about customer service and how important it is. People continue doing business with companies that treat them well.


That said, wow, I really wouldn't blame him if he never posted here before. this thread really degraded.