06 August 2002, 15:42
KY23fire lap or hand lap?
What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? I have a Marlin Guide gun that has significant tool marks at the start of my barrel. Which method should I use? I'm far from a gunsmith..is this something that I should leave to a more experienced person?
Any opinions would be appreciated,
06 August 2002, 18:48
DB BillDo a web search for a product called Final Finish.
I would stay away from the NECO fire-lapping process.
06 August 2002, 19:13
AtkinsonThe best way is to just shoot it, that is better than any of the above methods, lapping is in simple terms "wear"...and I am sure the practice won't hurt you or anyone else.
"Tool marks" lapped out may damage the barrel to a great degree..Lapping is for minor burrs etc.
With the 45-70, a rough bore is not likely to hinder its shooting capability to any great degree..the big slow bullets are not as prone to sincitivity as the faster calibers.
I guess I'm saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why create a non existant problem, unless your just bored.
07 August 2002, 04:38
KY23The problem I'm having is bad leading with anything about 1600 fps or higher with hard cast lead bullets. Even Gas checked bullets. If I fire 3 bullets and then take a look up the bore you can tell that the leading is starting where the tool marks are. After 5 or 6 shots with a 1800 fps bullet the accuracy is so bad I can't hit paper.
[ 08-06-2002, 19:48: Message edited by: KY23 ]10 August 2002, 03:01
Need Just 1 More GunI think Ray's advice is best. Shoot a 100 jacketed rounds then see if leading is still as bad. Clean to bare steel every 5 or 10 rounds.
I do have a NECO lapping kit, and have used it on occasion on some very rough factory rifle and pistol barrels. The NECO process is a pain, and I won't use the brass again because the grit will likely be embedded in the case neck.
You could try to give the rough part a good polishing with a tight patch and some JB, but I would still shoot it a bunch with some jacketed bullets.
Good luck.
Steve
[ 08-09-2002, 18:01: Message edited by: Need Just 1 More Gun ]10 August 2002, 11:43
boltmanSend it back to marlin and politely but firmly tell them that this is a manufacturing defect and you expect them to make it good.
10 August 2002, 13:53
RobgunbuilderI've had quite alot of experience with barrels that fouled badly. Let me say once again that the FINAL FINISH is just that the Final Finish of your spending money on a losing proposition. Believe me, there is nothing that you can do to fix such a barrel. Don't spend another dollar or minute on it. Send it back to Marlin and tell them they sent you a defective barrel and you want a new one. All these Lapping methods do is wear out the throat of your barrel. I have a borescope and I can even take pictures of the wear induced. Fire lapping and Final Finish are just marketing gimmics for people who just don't want to face the facts. I will probably get ten E-mails from peple who swear this works, but I every time this subject comes up, I find that none of them have ever looked down a borescope ( it's scary even with a good barrel). Most Marlins shoot great with cast bullets and don't foul perceptively until you exceed 2000fps. I hope this helps.-Rob