Well i'm 60 years old and retired 6 years ago simply because i did not want to deal with Walmart any longer. I have a proven record in turning companies around and could probably get $150mm in financing commitments this week to buy Remington out of bankrupcy but I am really worried about making money and producing a quality product at Remington.

1.Remington's Auto shotgun line is out of fashion..there was not a single 11-87 at our dove shoot this year..all autos were Italian. Walmart is pushing don't work well but cheep Charles Daley guns.

2.Their auto 22 line has a reputation for jamming & their new 22 bolt action is not a good value due to poor accuracy.

3.They have used the 700adl as a walmart special to the point where quality can not be maintained.

4.The m710 has a reputation of not working. I have never tried 1 so i don't know.


Their strengths are the m700 BDL, M700 Cdl and m7. The Ammo line is in fairly good shape.

My bottom line is 1 Year to buy and get out of Bankrupcy then a minimum of 5 years of product development until the company is reasonably profitable.

Are you asking permission?

Go do it.

The problem with making one basic autoloader for so many years is that your new product ends up competing with with it's brothers in the used market. Fortunately for Remington, the 870 is so cheap it doesn't suffer as badly in that regard.

Do you recapitalize to try and compete with subsidzed European conglomerates or wait to get it at a fire sale price and size it down to its best market products?

One of the interesting things about Remington is how divorced it is from the aftermarket accessory bussiness for its own products. Seems they're missing a revenue stream there.

A few years ago, Walmart carried much better guns and gun-related merchandise than they do now. About eight years ago, I even found a Model 70 in 375 H&H on the shelf at our local Walmart at a fair price, and I took it home.

But the current merchandise selection at Walmart is junk almost straight down the line, and as always, the sales staff is not really qualified to assist. It can't get much junkier or rougher around the edges than it is right now, or else they'll have to sick with selling linens, DVDs, magazines, and junk food and stay out of the gun business altogether. But I guess the only thing that counts with that retail giant and its average customer is price. Walmart is such a giant that I suspect a number of gun companies have come up with merchandise lines specifically targeted for Walmart sales, and which fit within Walmart's retail pricing guidelines.

The best way to make it attractive for gun companies to turn out better products is for us consumers to respond by not only demanding better quality, but by putting our money where our mouth is and be willing to pay for it, and that means support the local stocking gun dealer whenever possible instead of Walmart. So far, we seem to want cheap more than we want quality, or so it seems on the average. Thus the Model 710 and the disfunctional 22s....

One more thing we need to do as consumers: We need to demand tort reforms in this country, and we need to support efforts to further protect gun companies from these big-city lawsuits that have been going on. Insurance and legal costs are eating our fine gun companies alive, and the money to pay for these expenses has to come for someplace.

Personally, as long as I can shop good local gunstores and find quality (often new condition) older used rifles in the rack for about the price of some of Walmart's junk, I won't be throwing that money at Walmart. But the average customer won't operate as I do, or even know what to look for or where to look.

But they do know Walmart, and so a great many former small retailers that Walmart has buried over the years...........

AD

I wouldn't even try to take on Remington. You would be better off buying them when they go bankrupt. I think they are in the same straits as the airline industry, costs going up, saddled with high union overhead, low prices for their products etc. And they have to deal with import products on the low end.

Aaron

Tomgahunter,

I had posted about my very bad experience with Remington ammunition for my 8x57 Mauser some time ago. I bought a box Remington Express ammunition from Gander Mountain in Appleton WI (where I lived then) and while the box looked nice from the outside - it was sealed and I couldn't check inside - every round inside was imperfect with green verdigris on the cases and small dents as well. I switched to Federal subsequently because their boxes can be opened and ammunition inside checked and I have never had a problem with their quality. That my rifle likes Federal as much as I do is another plus.

Ditto when I had a choice between buying a Marlin Model 60 and a Remington 597 - I bought the Marlin and am extremely happy with it. As someone who used Remington rimfire ammunition in India many years ago and who swore by it's quality, it has been a sad revelation what is happening to this great company. I wish Remington solve their problems somehow.

It is not good business to be in the firearms industry these days, due to lawsuits, thin profit margins, a declining customer base, and an ever-looming fear that one day you may wake up and find that your product has been outlawed.

The exception is the small specialty manufacturer like Dakota, Kimber, or Freedom Arms. Their high end products may actually turn a profit and their high end customers are less likely to sue.

I wish SOMEONE would turn the big gun companies around but the reality is that they will continue to fizzle.

Personally I see it as a company that just don't know the customer and really don't want to. As long as any company decides that the cost is more important than the quality they are doomed.

Easier said than done however as there's unusable quality. The mass US market don't want unusable quality....they want accuracy and feeding and extraction and function first.

I'd agree that there's a tough nut to hatch here but if it was my decision, I'd never try to compete with the Chas Daly quality in autos and pumps....sooner or later the customer figures it out and comes to the quality products. It's interesting that the higher priced Benelli seems to be so popular.

Tom Ga Hunter, if you take it over, I'd like to be the quality manager. Among the things I'd do is to keep tabs on the customer by visiting several forums on the net.

tom ga hunter

In my opinion a few things need to be altered on rem 700. Bolt release mechanism, extractor, safety/trigger and nicer/better bolt handle.

Remington ammo is inconsistent but can quite easily be improved

Cheers
/JOHAN

Marketing research in the firearms industry does not reflect allot of the sentiments expressed by people on this web site. If I recall some of the studies and surveys I have seen in the past, the vast majority of purchasers of bolt action rifles are deer hunters that shoot less than one box of ammunition a year. Except for that once a year fandango, their rifles sit in the back of a closet or under a bed.

I have a book on the history of Remington, and military contracts (US and Foreign) have saved them from going under on more than a few occasions since they started business in 1816, and the influx money from those huge government contracts allowed them to expand and diversify their civilian product line.

IMO, Ronnie Barrett is the one and only firearms manufacturer in recent history that has applied the tried and true concept of finding a legitimate need and then creating a product to fill that need. All of the other manufacturers seem to favor the opposite of that, and they rely on the Gun Magazine Writers to “create†the need for them...even if none truly exists.

How else can one explain the models 7 and 710 ...or the huge number of inexplicable “models within models“ of the 700’s???

I blue print 700’s in my spare time and used to buy the actions from Brownell’s. As most of you know, Brownell’s stopped carrying them earlier this year, and I called up to find out why. According to Brownell’s (and I have no reason to doubt them) Remington was just a flat out pain in the ass to deal with. They had to buy a minimum of 600 actions at a time, and they were limited to nothing but blued right hand models. When they requested stainless or left handed actions Remington just said no.

With the prices Remington was charging them per action Brownell’s, in order to make a profit, had to charge about the same price that you could buy a complete rifle for.

I have no idea if Remington will go belly up...but if they do it can be attributed to nothing more than a self-destructive business model.

From an article on another thread, Remmington is having problems meeting the pension payments.

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...310/1001/NEWSREC0201

When you take the low road (Walmart) you take your chances...

An earlier post mentioned thin profits. That's not a universal problem in any industry other than, perhaps, commodities (soap, etc.). I've worked for and consulted with several companies who thought that the increase in sales volume from selling through anyone of the crap-marts was going to put them in good shape. However, just after the marketeers agree to lowering the price to sell the volume and the company plays "catch-up" trying to change their systems from quality to commodity (you can have both, but not always and not usually). Its a slippery slope.

There are companies that avoid the volume hype of selling through a crap-mart, they understand that volume does not equal profit. I consult for a company that loves its annual call from Cabelas, "We're considering carrying your line..." He tells them to go pound sand every year. Cabelas will rip off every and any product that sells well in their catalog. Many of them were made from companies that support hunting, fishing and gun ownership rights. Now the products are most likely made in China and all of us (myself definitely included) go to the trough for the cheap stuff. We continue to lose our manufacturing and wealth creating base every year.

Good luck to whomever tries to take over Remington. Talking turnaround is easy, pulling it off...not very likely.

Tom,

1. 11-87 There is an aftermarket trigger that can be used to give it and the 870 a very crisp and clean break. The reasons I shoot Bennellis are that they are easy to clean and have cast off (they point very well). I used to shoot a Berretta 390, and then a 391 as a waterfowl gun because they had the cast off in the synthetic versions and benelli did not. As soon as bennelli added cast off in their new M-2 I made the switch. Why? Because the Bennelli is 150mm times easier to clean, and keep clean.
My long, skinny neck gets on well with their stock geometry. Many people are better served with a Remington styled grip and stock. So; address the trigger and put some cast off in the stock. I traded off my last 11-87 in the late eighties or early nineties, so I don't recall the ins and outs of cleaning. IIRC, they were fairly reliable. One thing I really like about Remington shotguns is that they look like a real gun as opposed to Berrettas latest "Italian Design House" take on a 1930's Buck Rogers ray gun.

2. Rimfires There is no acceptable reason for putting out a bolt actioned rimfire that doesn't shoot straight. Make the trigger crisp, put it in a stock that looks and feels like a 7 or 700, and do the switch barrel thing a la Sako, for $150.00 less. Do a youth version with a stock that can be locked into a stock length that increases in 1/4" or 1/2" increments. Make the kids model in just 22LR.
I don't know enough about their autoloader to comment on that. My girfriend has one (gift from her ex ); the trigger is awefull, and the mechanisms seem "sticky".

3. Model 700 & 7 Frustrating. They look good, and with a couple hundred bucks work squaring them up and polishing the trigger they can be awesomely accurate and sweet to shoot. This is probably a good place to dump some money into some newer machinery and more frequent tooling changes. Dump the 710, it is tainted meat. For less than the price of a "custom shop" rifle offer an upgraded 700 (700D?) with such touches as Williams all steel bottom metal, a stock with a touch of wundhammer grip swell and cast off, and sights made of actual steel instead of the MIM junk. Offer the "all weather" version of the "D" model with a McMillan stock. Then people could march up the grades depending on their disposable income and inclination.
There is nothing inherently wrong with the present bolt handle or extractor. The bolt handle just needs to be put on differently in the stainless steel models. Drop the SAUMs. Build rifles in the 300 WSM and 270 WSM. Those look to have the best legs of the short magnums, despite the fact that the SAUMs likely feed a touch better.

4. As people above have said better, and more knowledgeably than I, push hard to expand military, police and homeland security sales. No sense in not bellying up to the trough. Hire a couple of retiring military/governmental contracting/purchasing folks. Have them churn out the necessary paperwork 24/7.

5. Back away from the Walmart tit for the same reason that I don't do medicine for a large hospital owned chain of clinics. All they care about is price point and moving the merchandise. When something goes wrong Remington/Dr. Jones is left holding the bag.

6. Sell "Airsoft" versions of the real guns for christmas presents for the six year olds. Get them hooked on "Remington" as early as possible. Sell airguns for the eight year olds, and for all the city dwellers.

7. As someone else pointed out above, there are quite a few aftermarket doo-dads for Remington products. Some are even useful. Hire a gun techno-geek to evaluate them, and have a bean counter analyze impact of incorporating that doo-dad as a standard or optional component.

This may be a sunset industry, but there is still a demand for the product. That will continue for more years than most trend watchers realize. Americans love guns. We always have, and always will.

LD

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My bottom line is 1 Year to buy and get out of Bankrupcy then a minimum of 5 years of product development until the company is reasonably profitable.

Not saying you couldn't, but that's a pretty bold statement from a guy that's never seen the books. The cost of settling lawsuits surrounding the M700 trigger alone could sink the company and I seriously doubt their lawsuit slush fund is sufficiently capatalized!

Besides, why would a 60 year old want to get involeved with such a mess... go hunt and have fun!

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Originally posted by tom ga hunter:
Well i'm 60 years old and retired 6 years ago simply because i did not want to deal with Walmart any longer. I have a proven record in turning companies around and could probably get $150mm in financing commitments this week to buy Remington out of bankrupcy but I am really worried about making money and producing a quality product at Remington.

1.Remington's Auto shotgun line is out of fashion..there was not a single 11-87 at our dove shoot this year..all autos were Italian. Walmart is pushing don't work well but cheep Charles Daley guns.

2.Their auto 22 line has a reputation for jamming & their new 22 bolt action is not a good value due to poor accuracy.

3.They have used the 700adl as a walmart special to the point where quality can not be maintained.

4.The m710 has a reputation of not working. I have never tried 1 so i don't know.


Their strengths are the m700 BDL, M700 Cdl and m7. The Ammo line is in fairly good shape.

My bottom line is 1 Year to buy and get out of Bankrupcy then a minimum of 5 years of product development until the company is reasonably profitable.

Looking at Remington's product line, I am not surprised that they are not selling enough guns.
While their new rimfire showed that they were at least slightly tuned into that market, the execution of that gun falls way short. It is an expensive rifle [almost as much as a Kimber rimfire] but is no where near as appealing in design or function as the Kimber. The CZ line, which has just dominated the mid-price range rimfire market, is several hundred dollars less than the new Remington bolt action and a far superior product. Geez, for nearly the same price as Remington's new bolt action rimfire, even Sako [with European production costs] gave us a switch-barreled rifle!


The 597 is a great design. It is accurate. It has the right look and the twin bolt rail are far superior to the design of the Ruger 10/22. Unfortunately, because Remington did not pay adequate attention to the design, manufacturing and function of the magazine, the company must now contend with overcoming the 597's solid reputation as an unreliable feeder. Remington is now on its third generation of magazine on this rifle trying to get it to feed reliably---something that is supposed to precede the introduction of a new rifle, not follow it!

The Rem 700 was a great product, but it is a "has been" in the current market. For example, I suspect CZ has taken alot of market share from the Remington 700 in the .223 class of cartridges with the CZ 527. Remington has nothing comparable and the 700 is truly a "clunker" compared to the CZ 527. Remington has been standing still while everyone else is out there trying to grab market share.

I heard that a few years ago a Remington marketing exec called a well-known small caliber guru [who shall remain nameless---but I heard this straight from the horses mouth] wanting to know where the market was going or why Remington was not in touch with the market. The small-caliber guru asked him "what do your guys talk about around the water cooler on Monday morning? Do they talk about a weekend spent reloading, shooting, and hunting, or do they talk about their golf game?" The exec went quiet.

In a nutshell, that may be the problem with Remington: they are an east coast gun manufacturing company that is not really tuned into shooting and hunting. The production of firearms related products is just a means to a financial end, but does Big Green really bleed guns and hunting?? I don't think so. And that is their problem. It is cultural---corporate culture. Their product line suggests Remington really is not very much in touch with shooters and what they want.

My .02 worth...


Jordan

I own three early production (60's & 70's) 700's. They are very nice rifles. I recently purchased a "LNIB" 700 ADL from a private party over the internet. Compared to the other Remingtons I have, it's a rough as a cob POS. I seriously doubt I'll ever buy a new production Remington again. As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Please do it....and then bring back the Model 720:-)

Whatever you do don't let the gun cranks or engineers dictate your product. I've found that Americans won't pay a penny extra for quality. The gun manufacturers seem to have noticed this too.

Tom Ga Hunter:

I don't know you and wish you the very best in whatever you attempt, but I think taking on Remington would be a mistake, at least at this point.

I think the 700 trigger problems may sink them due to legal judgements but have no real knowledge of the actual positions vis a vis liability judgements, past or potential.

In addition, they have a poorly motivated, apparently poorly trained union shop that increases their costs and decreases their quality.

I talked to a major scope ring manufacturer, who shall remain nameless a while back, and he told me he had hell making his rings work on 700s. Not because of his quality, which is nearly immaculate, but because Rem. apparently couldn't drill 4 holes in the same spot VERY often. He said he asked the Rem brass why this was so with CNC machining, etc? They told him Union rules required that people drill the holes, ergo offcenter holes. Just a small example.

I'd pass for now, maybe when you can dump all the lawsuits and union contracts via a bankruptcy court. Just my not so humble advice.
I retired, went to a longhorn auction and wound up running a ranch with 400 of them or so. I now attend 12 step programs to stay away from auctions.....but they haven't gotten to ebay yet.

BTW, the 1187 has never caught on that well because it was a clunky handling replacement for the 1100 which had a tendency to break under heavy usage. Most people with some mechanical ability and shotgunning knowledge would take an 1100 over a 1187 anyday for their shooting, pointing superiority. However, since there are now equal or better guns out there for basically the same money or even less (Berettas, Benellis), Remingtons have fallen from favor. IMO without doubt the 700 and the 870 are their best current products, but the 700s past sins may sink them.

Good luck.

I was never a big Remington follower, although recently I found myself with two BDLs and am happy with both. One being an older 7mm.

I agree about the 710 and the 1187. I saw four used 1187s in the shop the other day and the dealer said he couldn't sell them. Me? I grabbed the S&W Model 1000. It's lighter and for me it handles better. There's one caviat to the Smiths, but if you know how to clean a gun properly they are flawless. Why they never caught on is beyond me. It's a shame they had to be made in Japan.

I'm sure the 1187 could have been everything that S&W was. But as Gatogordo said, quality in workmanship is lacking. It would be ideal if someone could pick Remington up off the ground, shake the dust, and make them a major again.

I've seen research on Walmart and they have a way of running their suppliers into the ground. You're in bed with the devil when you supply Walmart. It matters not to them, as they will simply find another.

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I heard that a few years ago a Remington marketing exec called a well-known small caliber guru [who shall remain nameless---but I heard this straight from the horses mouth] wanting to know where the market was going or why Remington was not in touch with the market. The small-caliber guru asked him "what do your guys talk about around the water cooler on Monday morning? Do they talk about a weekend spent reloading, shooting, and hunting, or do they talk about their golf game?" The exec went quiet.

Wait a minute, you mean hiring Managers and Human Resource directors that have no experience whatsoever with the line of product they sell, or manufacture doesn't work?



Let them sink. It's just more corporate arrogance that America's large companies are full of.

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I've seen research on Walmart and they have a way of running their suppliers into the ground.

If one can't take the heat.....get ta hell out of the Kitchen. The demise of quality cannot be blamed on WalMart.

Tom Ga Hunter,

I didn't know they were in Chapter Whatever, but I would not be surprised to hear it.

The M700 is popular, and could be improved easily. I would modify the design of the Walker/Remington trigger and get out from under the liability issue of a "fire on failure" trigger unit. Let the past liability remain with the sellers, or be handled by the bankruptcy court.

I like the bullet point above about co-opting successful add-ons for either the M700 or the M870; Microsoft does this with Windows to a fault.

The New Company could also go after the left-hand market with more chamberings and stainless steel options.

jim

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Wait a minute, you mean hiring Managers and Human Resource directors that have no experience whatsoever with the line of product they sell, or manufacture doesn't work?

I see no reason why the HR manager needs to be a gun nut or even a hunter. The same applies to middle managers. Those arts are not related to the final product at all.

I see every reason why the marketing, sales and quality managers and half the executive officers have a love of fine guns, shooting and hunting.

Some diciplines are required regardless of the product being produced.

That said there must also be a passion for the product deeply entrenched in all levels of management. It's not necessary that all managers are so motivated.

At Remington I seriously doubt that this passion exists anywhere.

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BTW, the 1187 has never caught on that well because it was a clunky handling replacement for the 1100 which had a tendency to break under heavy usage. Most people with some mechanical ability and shotgunning knowledge would take an 1100 over a 1187 anyday for their shooting, pointing superiority. However, since there are now equal or better guns out there for basically the same money or even less (Berettas, Benellis), Remingtons have fallen from favor. IMO without doubt the 700 and the 870 are their best current products, but the 700s past sins may sink them.

That's strange, the 11-87s are known as great shotguns around here. I've owned two and both were outstanding duck guns but, what do we know, we just drag them through the mud, strap them on atv racks for miles of gumbo mud riding to the blind across rice fields, and dunk them in the dirty water from time to time. I've seen several Benelli, S+W, and Win autos fail while in the blind (Probably could have bought them real cheap during those times) but, the 11-87s keep spitting the 3 inch mags out w/o a hang up.

From seeing some serious use of auto shotguns out duck hunting in our Louisiana wetlands the top two auto shotguns I'd truly trust would be Browning Gold or Rem 11-87. IMO the 11-87s only problem is their weight and because of that I'd prefer the Browning Gold.

I'm not saying they are the best by any means but, they are very good auto shotguns and will provide many years of service to a serious wing shooter.

Have a Good One.

Reloader

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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I've seen research on Walmart and they have a way of running their suppliers into the ground.

If one can't take the heat.....get ta hell out of the Kitchen. The demise of quality cannot be blamed on WalMart.

It's not blame, it's Marketing 101.

Take a strong brand such as Remington and "merge" them with a bargain store, Walmart. In order to meet Walmart's low price requirement, Remington had to manufacture a lower quality product. Nothing wrong with that, there's a market for every product. However, you NEVER leave your brand name on it. But Walmart insists on it.

So now what have is a substandard product with the Remington name on it - the 710 for instance. Once someone who knows quality handles that gun, they're left with the impression that Remingtons are going downhill. And so it begins.

Vlassic learned that lesson with Walmart as well. Vlassic took a perfectly good household brand name and trashed it by offering gallon jugs of pickles at Walmart. Now, they can't sell their regular jars of pickles at supermarkets. Why? "Because that same pickle is sold in a gallon jar at a bargain store, therefore is must be worse than it used to be."

Just because the Vlassic is sold at Walmart, the market now percieves it as a bargain or second rate pickle. It nearly put them under, if they're not under by now.

I agree with you, it's not Walmart's fault. It's companies like Remington and Vlassic who cave to the pressures of wanting to do business with Walmart...looking for the quick buck no doubt. Who wants to own a $800 Remington when the guy next to him at the range can say, "Hey I paid $300 for mine and groups as well as yours, or better!" The overall quality can be debated, but the fact is, at first glance, it appears that fella got the same gun you spent $800.

If you wanted a Sangean radio at Radio Shack, you bought the Radio Shack DX-390. If you wanted a GE Superadio, you bought the Optimus brand, and so on. Radio Shack didn't force companies to leave their brand on the product. But again, it is the companies' choice to do business with Walmart.

Let's see how Weatherby makes out.

I own an R 93. I’ve been gunsmithing now for about 25 years and I have done warranty for just about every manufacturer. As far as the R 93 being over priced I suppose anything that you can’t afford could be regarded as over priced I happen to think that Holands and Purdys seem to be over priced but I didn’t have much trouble dipping into my pocket for the Blaser. Also I seem to be seeing a lot of Super Black Eagles and other European trash in the field now days and I have to wonder why they are blowing all that hard earned cash over to Germany and Italy when there are perfectly affordable Remington model 710s and 11-87s that can be so easily had. As far as the R 93 being complicated ........... well try totally disassemble a Remington Nylon 66 and put it back together or count all of the parts in your browning Auto 5 some days. he he he Rod Henrickson

Find the niche. Persue it. Remington has abandoned their customer base so many times no one will buy from them. If you want to go high end, re-brand. Toyota-lexus-infinity-nissan... I have a Subaru SVX. In 91 this car went for $40K. who bought it? No Subaru owners! Branding and consistant quality. Unless you want to flip the company, then it's "perceived quality".

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Originally posted by Collins:
Find the niche. Persue it. Remington has abandoned their customer base so many times no one will buy from them. If you want to go high end, re-brand. Toyota-lexus-infinity-nissan... I have a Subaru SVX. In 91 this car went for $40K. who bought it? No Subaru owners! Branding and consistant quality. Unless you want to flip the company, then it's "perceived quality".

I believe that Remington is still the top seller of civilian bolt action rifles in the USA...and only Colt and Barrett exceed their military rifle contracts...so obviously, they haven’t had their customer base stolen or eroded away quite as much as you seem to think they have.

tom ga hunter,
are you one of those retired rich walmart executives from on the travel channel who rides around in the custom made RV bus that cost over a million dollars?
If I were in your situation I probably would do whatever the hell I wanted when I wanted.

Let's see, "Remington is going under, no one is buying from them, all their Management hates firearms, (might as well toss in they probably never fired a single round in their lives) Quality is totally non-existant, blah, blah, blah".

Feel free to quote me, "
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All my Bolt Handles still on and no one has handled them with so little intelligence as to create a non-expected Striker release!

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Originally posted by speerchucker30x378:
As far as the R 93 being over priced I suppose anything that you can’t afford could be regarded as over priced I happen to think that Holands and Purdys seem to be over priced but I didn’t have much trouble dipping into my pocket for the Blaser. Also I seem to be seeing a lot of Super Black Eagles and other European trash in the field now days and I have to wonder why they are blowing all that hard earned cash over to Germany and Italy when there are perfectly affordable Remington model 710s and 11-87s that can be so easily had. As far as the R 93 being complicated ........... well try totally disassemble a Remington Nylon 66 and put it back together or count all of the parts in your browning Auto 5 some days. he he he Rod Henrickson

Rod

So, would buying blaser r-93 be better than benelli, blowing cash over Europe? Blaser is a European brand. I have owned an "Ikea" rifle and sold it, had a few serious problems with it's function. I'd rather get another rifle than fiddling around with magazines, mounts, barrels and wrenches etc.

Most of my rifles are mauser 98 style, proven function and classic design

Cheers
/JOHAN

I did not read all the posts in this thread so if i am being redundant please forgive me. I think Remington put to much into makeeting The ultra mags and short action ultra mags.
And as a side note The names sound awful.
Does'nt super mag sound better than utra mag?
I do think the CDL is a nice rifle, and some of the others are not bad either but the stampedtin parts and cheap lokking plastic stock just do not apeal to me. Also the model 7 in the saaum with a 22 inch barrel amount to hard kicking standard cartridges. I watched a gut shooting his model 7 7saum over a chrony and his BDL 280 at the same time and ho could not get the saum to as much spead as the .280...tj3006

From a business perspective, the question you have to answer is: is it cheaper to buy a "going business", or is it cheaper to build from scratch, or from another brand name?

In this case, the potential liabilities of judgements and union shops would preclude me from getting involved. Aside from that, I don't see unique or desirable design expertise. No unique assets other than an "old brand name".

In other words, I don't see an opportunity worth pursueing. JMO, Dutch.

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And as a side note The names sound awful.
Does'nt super mag sound better than utra mag?

I'm waiting for the Super-Duper-Uber-Short-Mini-Max-Awsome-Mag SDUSMMAM for short. in 204,223,243,270,7mm,300,8mm,9mm,416,44,458,511,20mm

Longest COL 1.2"

while I agree a lot of people won't pay the extra for a better product I also think a lot of people will pay the price. Remington used to make some beautiful old guns! Bring back the quality and keep a cheaper line going also. A lot of people will spend the money on Beretta's, Benelli's, Sako's, and such. How about OUR country's oldest gunmaker making a decent product and charging accordingly? The products would have to be genuinely nice guns and not just dolled up cheap guns though!