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does anyone know of any FFL in PA that will ship to CA ? I am having no luck finding one here in the southeastern PA 0 for 5 so far. sorry if this isnt the right place to ask. any and all ideas welcome. Thanks ej Africa Bug " Embrace the bite , live for adventure " EJ Carter 2011 | ||
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Well, if you are not an FFL you don't need an FFL to do the shipment to the FFL in CA so I am not really sure what the big problem is. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, Some bone-head FFL's in CA require, even though the law does not, that anything shipped to them be done so by another FFL. Talk about piling the crap on.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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yup.....and I lost a sale because of that.....I refused to take my action to an FFL to have it shipped.....I later sold it to someone else.....screw-em /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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It's becoming more and more common here too. I've lost buying opportunitys because the shipper wouldn't ship from a ffl even at a profit. I had a long talk with the shop I use and from their stand point I can see why they do it. EJ, I do find it odd that a PA ffl won't ship it for you if it's going to a ffl. I never have problems there. But then it is going CA. ______________________ Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. | |||
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Exactly... If the recipient FFL in California won't receive from a non-FFL then get a new receiving FFL in California. Where in CA is the piece going..?? | |||
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I can't see any reason for it...oh yes I can. It's called being lazy. An FFL's function is to perform transfers. Not receiving from a non FFL is like saying, I am not going to buy used guns from my walk in customers. All the FFL has to do is ask for a copy of the persons driver's license (or other ID) to be sent with the gun...oh wait a minute they could fake the driver's license. Well could the FFL spot a phony driver's license in person. Well what if the gun is stolen...the FFL checks that anyway...so now the FFL has the stolen gun and calls the police. And just how many guns do FFLs take in that are stolen? I doubt very few. If FFL's don't want to deal with the paperwork, then they should probably find a new business cause it is only going to get worse. Driving customer's away is not going to help. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Another favorite trick of some California dealers who don't want to cooperate is to charge sales tax on the transaction. By requiring that the gun be shipped from a FFL and then charging tax, they are basically saying they don't want to do business with you. You should try to find another California dealer if possible. There are some who are more cooperative. | |||
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any bets if the sales tax ever makes it to the state?...... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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All California transactions require sales tax whether you bought it on Jupiter and shipped it via Pluto to a California dealer. If it gets a DROS it gets taxed. It's called "Sales and Use" tax...If you buy a set of chop sticks in Tokyo and delcare them at LAX customs...you'll be getting a "Sales & Use Tax" bill in the mail as customs reports the declared value to the state. If you don't pay the tax they'll put a lein on your personal property like yesterday. This is no bullshit - they call themselves "The State Board of Equalization".....Stalin would be proud. | |||
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This is true. Some some even require that the shipper be an FFL with a store-front. I have no idea how they would know if the shipping FFL has a storefront or not. The reason he is having trouble finding a PA FFL that will ship is because California now requires that all out of state FFLs mush be cleared through the CA DOJ before they ship. I am the guy buying the Rifle from EJ. All the storefront FFLs in my area require transfers be shipped through an FFL. I have talked to them about this but it does not do any good, they say, "That's the law." And they charge CA sales tax when I come to pick the rifle up. I make sure that the sale price is listed inside the box. I had one rifle that was insured at double the sale price and they tried to charge tax on that amount. I told them to keep it and had the seller send the invoice so that I didn't pay an extra $55 in sales tax. I believe EJ has one FFL that has started the CA DOJ process but has not yet been approved. I don't know long it takes, but I am willing to wait. I have had many purchases and sales to Vapodog, Frank Martinez and many others on this site. I hope that some of you might give feedback to EJ so that he knows that I will follow through, even if it takes a while. Thanks, Jason Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I use an FFL here who charges a flat fee of $25 plus whatever the state fees are. | |||
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Jason, I sympathize with you but the FFLs who are saying "that's the law" are wrong! The law states the exact opposite. The law is a non FFL may ship to FFL. Now I will agree with you that it does no good to talk to these guys because have of them operate out of ignorance. Also unless the sales tax law has changed in the last three years, that is another misconception. I have purchased numerous out of state firearms and never paid sales tax. I also did an instate sale on a private party transfer and paid 0 sales tax. Jason perhaps your transaction is really a "gift" and therefore not subject to any "sales" Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Jason, Go to Gunsamerica and do a search on your Zip code. May be helpful to locate other FFLs in your area. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I applied on line and was set up with DOJ in about 10 minutes. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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Westpac, Thanks for actually proving that this whole process takes 10 minutes. Oh I forgot its takes a whopping 3 miutes to get the approval to ship. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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That 10 minutes included booting up the computer and googling the Ca DOJ site that oversees this process. Actual time spent filling in the info and getting approval was much less. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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Thanks all , I think we have the problem solved. Ej Africa Bug " Embrace the bite , live for adventure " EJ Carter 2011 | |||
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I'm in California so let me clear up a few things: Some FFL's required guns to be shipped from an FFL it is their choice on how they do business. I have seen this in Cali, Penn, Montana and even (gasp) Texas! The CA state board of equalization says that anything shipped from a retailer for sale to a private individual in California has to have sales tax collected on it. If it is shipped from a private individual to an FFL it does not have to have sales tax collected. I don't know where the example of paying Customs duties then getting a sales tax bill comes from. I've paid hundreds of dollars of Customs duty over the past five years and have never received any sales tax notices/bills. As far as a retailer collecting sales tax and then not turning it into the State. Some may do that but the firearms get entered into their bound book and the State's Dealer Record of Sale computer in Sacramento. A dealer would have to ba an idiot to fail to forward the sales tax with a paper (electronic) trail like that. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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