My shooting buddy just bought a new Remington 700 ADL laminated stock. Compared to my new Weatherby Vanguard it's a peice of crap, actually compared to anything it's a peice of crap! The bolt is stiff and rough to operate, and it feed poorly, jamming often, and won't feed the last cartridge at all! The accuracy is like a shootgun, all in all, just a poor excuse for a rifle, it's a disgrace too waste good steel on a 700!!!!!!!!

Take the stock off a Rem700, and it looks like a piece of junk.
I am not a fan of round bottom receivers.

But there are others, who know more than me, that like them, so to each his own.

What calibre is it?? If the price is right, I'll take it off his hands and he can stick to NEF's.

The Remington 700 ADL is a discontinued model, but they will usually shoot.

If he bought it from a Remington dealer, send it back.

jim

It's a 30-06

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Originally posted by iwzbeeman:
What calibre is it?? If the price is right, I'll take it off his hands and he can stick to NEF's.

And a round of applause for the best reply of the week!

Mine are all garbage too... I wish I could get them to shoot consitently under half an inch with hand loads day in and day out... but I guess I'll make due with MOA...

Maybe he should consider shooting lessons...?

IV

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:
My shooting buddy just bought a new Remington 700 ADL laminated stock. Compared to my new Weatherby Vanguard it's a peice of crap, actually compared to anything it's a peice of crap! The bolt is stiff and rough to operate, and it feed poorly, jamming often, and won't feed the last cartridge at all! The accuracy is like a shootgun, all in all, just a poor excuse for a rifle, it's a disgrace too waste good steel on a 700!!!!!!!!

No they're not. Look, I have a step kid who's crap. He's been in and out of the joint several times, the rest of the kids turned out great. At least you have the option of sending the gun back.

MajorCaliber, I disagree, not all, maybe some but not all. I have picked up a couple of 7--'s that were tack drivers right out of the box. I have some that took a bit of work to make it to my standards. This is also true of several other brands that share the safe with the 700's.
Since your on your soapbox towards the Vanguard, a local bought a Vanguard at wallyworld and it wouldn't fire, not a mark on the primer, guess what? No firing pin , so much for QC.

The quality of "most" production guns has taken a big hit in the QC end of things.

I've owned Remington (5), Ruger (3), Winchesters (1) and Browning (1). I've never had a problem w/ any of them feeding. The Rugers had the least consistent accuracy, followed by the Browning. I keep trying different ones, but keep comming back to the 700 as the most accurate. Every one would put a 5 shot group consistently under MOA (w/ handloads). One Ruger would do that and none of the others (although the FW-70 will do it w/ three).

I got a couple that will outshoot a ton of guns.

I have a 6mmx284 that constitently shoots one hole groups, I have a 6.5x284 that will do the same and a 243AI that will also shoot little holes.

Remingtons do have a few problems, but they can be cleaned up very easy and will make a good action to built a bench, varmint or 1000 yard rifle out of. I have a bunch that shoot really good groups.

As a hunter who has owned mostly Remingtons since the early 1970's I will tell you why I am in the process of selling all mine and replacing them with mostly Winchesters, Montana's and an occasional Savage and Ruger. Every stinking time I have hunted in temperatures around freezing with either rain or snow I have had issues with trigger freeze ups with my model 700's. Usually they would be frozen solid after sitting all night. My most recent trip to Kodiak for blacktails this past Nov and the same thing happened to my son's new Rem SPS (I had a Savage for the trip). I was able to get it working by pouring "heet" over it. But ya know, all day long I was thinking what if this happens during a brownie charge or the buck of a life time?
It took a while but I finally gave in. In the past two months I sold almost every model 700 I owned. I only have a NIB 300 Ultramag and a 375 remaining and they are both for sale (left handed). Sometimes you can teach an old dog new tricks.
For most of you this freezing of the triggers would not be an issue. In defense of what I used to own I never once had a feeding issue or failure to eject. Never had a bolt handle fall off either. Outside of this problem I loved how easy is was to adjust the trigger. I guess with all the precise trigger components in that tiny box there is simply not enough clearance. If I ever moved back to the lower 48 or hunted in weather where freezing water was not an issue I would continue to use Remingtons.

They aren't crap, they just smell that way.

My old ones and custom guns on 700 actions work fine.

New ones don't look so good to me and I haven't bought any more and probably won't.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "one Remington is crap"? After all, you're only talking about your experience with one rifle.

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "one Remington is crap"? After all, you're only talking about your experience with one rifle.

No, past experience has always been the same regarding Remingtons!

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Originally posted by IdahoVandal:
Maybe he should consider shooting lessons...?

IV

my two rem varmint guns are crap...............both shoot around 1/2"at 110 yards (.243 and .300 RUM)

I have to take with more than a grain of salt your comments about Remingtons in general. There
are some aspects of the design I wish they would change, but in general they are pretty decent rifles. BUT, I think that all the gun manufacturers need to pay more attention to quality or they may too go the way of the Winchester plant in New Haven. From a manufacturing stand point bolt action rifles are
pretty simple machines. With today's CNC machines, EDM, etc. I do not see why very fine bolt guns are not the routine output of Remington or anyone else. Most of the labor could be designed out of the production process with the human's doing the needed "fit and finish". I see most new guns as just raw material for making custom guns. It would be far better if all of you wrote well thought out letters to the gun manufacturers. Send your letters to the corporate board of directors or better yet to major stock holders.

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "one Remington is crap"? After all, you're only talking about your experience with one rifle.

No, past experience has always been the same regarding Remingtons!

You must be the most unlucky guy in the world.

Be sure to stay inside during thunderstorms.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MajorCaliber:
Compared to my new Weatherby Vanguard it's a peice of crap, actually compared to anything it's a peice of crap!

He may have gotten one that has some problems but I'm sure it can be easily resolved. One thing I know for sure is that your buddy is supporting an AMERICAN company and you are the one that is buying japanese. I would rather have one Remington than a dozen Vanguards.

Mine shoots just fine. 700 ADL 7mm mag. Bushnell Legend 5-15 x . Stock trigger could be better but I do not sweat it too much.-Ben

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Originally posted by .223 VARMINT-VENTALATOR:
Mine shoots just fine. 700 ADL 7mm mag. Bushnell Legend 5-15 x . Stock trigger could be better but I do not sweat it too much.-Ben

7mm Rem Mag nice choice

I never liked those high see through rings, seemed like if I even leaned the scope on anything, it would knock the scope off.

ALL gun manufacturers make "crap" once in awhile otherwise I would not have anything to fix! There is no brand that doesn't show up for problems.
Snowwolfe- you need to clean all lubricant out of those triggers you are having problems with. It gets cold here also and that is not a problem if they are clean.

www.duanesguns.com

Major Caliber,

I bought those rings hoping that I would be able to use my iron sights. but the diameter of the scope prevents me from seeing the front sight. I will probably take those off after Rifle doe season is over. I am gonna get some new rings. Dont know what brand yet.-Ben

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Originally posted by Jim White:He may have gotten one that has some problems but I'm sure it can be easily resolved. One thing I know for sure is that your buddy is supporting an AMERICAN company and you are the one that is buying japanese.

Definitely not very good out of the box, but I can't think of many factory rifles that have the accuracy potential. Not to mention all those after-market goodies. A good smith can have it shooting a gnat's ass. 700s are kinda boring, but junk? I respectfully disagree.

Take that Vangaurd and throw it in the river between the Hilton and the Sushi place! I love Lafayette!

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Originally posted by jimmyd223:
a local bought a Vanguard at wallyworld and it wouldn't fire, not a mark on the primer, guess what? No firing pin , so much for QC.
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Hey, did it come with the group it fired at the factory?

JAL, I really don't know as I was at the smiths when this gun was brought in by the fellow that bought it. I am sure that there are lots of gun leaving factorys without being test fired. This just happen to have been a weatherby Vanguard.

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Originally posted by Old Elk Hunter:
I have to take with more than a grain of salt your comments about Remingtons in general. There
are some aspects of the design I wish they would change, but in general they are pretty decent rifles. BUT, I think that all the gun manufacturers need to pay more attention to quality or they may too go the way of the Winchester plant in New Haven.

In general, I tend to agree with you on this. Though I do have one question to ask of any that follow this rule. Are you willing to PAY for the increase in costs associated with making better guns? Are you willing to do that with a local dealer or are you just wanting Wally World to handle all of the firearms?
I see independant dealers going out of business on a fairly consistent basis. Most due to lack of financial backing from the owner(s) but a lot due to their customer base deserting them for the chain/box stores.
Chain/Box stores DO have their place, but when the quality of the product and service is as poor as what is normally found in the majority of these stores, are you REALLY saving any money in the long run?
Also, if you don't like the quality of the Remington 700 series, don't buy them anymore. There are other manufacturer's out there making much more accurate guns (examples include Savage model 11-'s and Tikka T3 series) for the same or less money. And the independant dealer would be more than happy to handle your 700 as a trade in .

Snowwolfe is correct re. the Remington Trigger...
it can get moisture in its housing, then freeze up.
Condensation is enough to do it. A better trigger rig is the Winchester Model 70...its not enclosed,
condensation, freezups can't occur. Still, one of the best reliable triggers put in a factory rifle..
worthy of the old "kiss: theory...keep it simple...
Best Regards, Tom

ps. Often Wyoming gets colder than Alaska...how about a -45 this year in Yellowstone? And other parts of the state get pretty cold at times, there are hunters here who have had problems with the Remington Triggers in cold weather. Its a fault of the Remingtons, lots of guys don't like them because of this...beware triggers that are encased in a housing...
Best Regards, Tom

Swowwolf
In Canada it get very cold too. For someone who hunts in cold weather you should know to remmove all lubricants form triggers and bolts for the cold weather hunting. I use Rem 700.

Here is what I do. I take the bolt apart and remove the trigger from the rifle.I spray all the parts with WD40 and boil then in a SS steel pot. The trigger I hang ong string.

The come out whistle clean and dry very quickly when hot WD40 is a high temp lube enough will stay on the parts to protectect from rust for a time. Nothing freezes up. While hunting keep your gun out in the cold instead of a hot camp. For storage do whatever to keep them from rusting. No I don't think Remingtons are crap.

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My shooting buddy just bought a new Remington 700 ADL laminated stock. Compared to my new Weatherby Vanguard it's a peice of crap...

Didn't you try to steer him toward the Weatherby? What kind of buddy won't listen to his buddy?

Zermel, My triggers did not freeze up from grease or oil. They freeze up because water gets inside the housing during periods of hunting when the outside temperature is around freezing and it is raining or snowing. It is the rain or snow turning to ice and making the trigger inoperable that is the problem. If i hunted in very cold temperatures its no longer an issue because there isnt any rain and if it snows, the metal temperature is cold enough not to melt the snow and then have it go to ice.

I just can't imagine anybody calling something crap when comparing it to a Weatherby, the average one is a real prizewinner. I do have one question though, how meny of these guys that claim out of the box super accuracy from any of these production guns could back it up if called on to do so, I would be willing to bet damn few.

ZM

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Originally posted by OldCenterChurch:
Take that Vangaurd and throw it in the river between the Hilton and the Sushi place!

While you are at it, kick the crap out of all those Korean rice-eaters and German kraut-eaters that are bringing jobs to your poor-ass state.

I now know why I cant' get my Remingtons to shoot under a 3/8 group consistantly. I thought it was me.