Knowing that the Germans made their 98's from ersatz beer cans and you have to carbuerize the buggers to get them hard enough, what about the M48 Yugo? Having been made post WWII, did they use a high enough grade of carbon steel and did they heat treat them well?

All those that loved the Charles Daly action will tell you that they were made in the same factories as the M48.

You misunderstand the nature of the relationship bewteen carbon and carburisation.

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Originally posted by Poleax:
All those that loved the Charles Daly action will tell you that they were made in the same factories as the M48.

Poleax, are you saying the metal is the same?

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Originally posted by Poleax:
You misunderstand the nature of the relationship bewteen carbon and carburisation.

Maybe I don't understand either.....please explain it to us and where masterrifleman is incorrect in his post.

I can see that poleax isn't going to elaborate here.

Masterifleman, I have no experience with this action, I can only suspect it's not in need of heat treating. A good many mausers are turned into hi-pressure sporters without the benefit of heat treating and this includes 1909 argies and 1908 Brazilians.

If you're in doubt find a company that does case hardening and ask them to get a hardness test on the 15-N scale and convert it to Rc for you. A test directly on the Rc scale is worthless.....don't let them do it!!!

If the result is less than 32 I'd have it heat treated.

For that matter, what about 1939 and earlier K98k receivers from Mauser, JP Sauer and Erma Werke?

The build quality was still high, fit and finish was still good and the German industrial machine was not yet under the pressures of war. Are these suitable to build on if found in uncollectable condition?

Do they generally need heat treating as badly as the WW1 era DWMs and the 1909 Argies?

Oh boy... I might be opening a can of worms here...

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Originally posted by Claven2:
For that matter, what about 1939 and earlier K98k receivers from Mauser, JP Sauer and Erma Werke?

The build quality was still high, fit and finish was still good and the German industrial machine was not yet under the pressures of war. Are these suitable to build on if found in uncollectable condition?

Do they generally need heat treating as badly as the WW1 era DWMs and the 1909 Argies?

Oh boy... I might be opening a can of worms here...

FWIW any M-98 made in Germany or czechlosvakia between 1924 and 1943 would not scare me a bit (assuming decent mechanical conditionm) for conversion to even a 300 win mag or equivalent.

This includes Sauers, waffenfabrik werks, Mauser banners, VZ-24, DWMs, and possibly others.

Right now I have several extremely smooth VZ-24 actions but much prefer to look for the FN post war actions as their metalurgy is not questioned and it just costs less to make them into a decent sporter.

There's a lot of interarms, Harrington and Richardson, J C Higgens, Browning, and other very fine guns out there for a song (usually) and as an example....just a few hours ago I saw a H & R .30-06 in a well stocked Fajen Aristocrat with nice walnut forend tip and a scope for $425 ( Belgian action and totally ready to go with hinged floorplate).......I can't convert a K-98 for anywhere near that and this makes me wonder why he ought to buy a '98 that he isn't familiar with......like something with Russian or greek or other script that isn't typical of the '98 Mauser.