Once more to stir the pot


Ill say this... If you could buy a Ranger and get one Free Id still go over and buy a Toyota.




Cal30

buy a from a american based company ,you guys have been trained to be drive jap junk. toyota's these dayss get less fuel mileage then the american made stuff,if you compare the same size motors. if you buy anything else dont complain about the economy ,cause you are the cause........

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Originally posted by srw:
buy a from a american based company ,you guys have been trained to be drive jap junk. toyota's these dayss get less fuel mileage then the american made stuff,if you compare the same size motors. if you buy anything else dont complain about the economy ,cause you are the cause........

Even if it got only half the milage of anything made in the USA,that is only one thing that constitutes ecconomy, the SO-called JAP JUNK will still be running when the the Detroit crap is in the crusher!

Thanks Mac

I felt like I personaly Single handedly ruined the American economyby buying a Toyota.


I did give it a boost though and bought a 2008 Dodge diesel, But I still use the best compact pickup made for alot of things around here.



Cal30

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Originally posted by cal30 1906:
Thanks Mac

I felt like I personaly Single handedly ruined the American economyby buying a Toyota.


I did give it a boost though and bought a 2008 Dodge diesel, But I still use the best compact pickup made for alot of things around here.



Cal30

Don't let them get you down. Yes, if you need something with monster towing and hauling power there is nothing like a big, American diesel. However, they are a bit much as a daily driver. I do get about 16.5 mpg around town with mine, A/C and all which can be better then the smaller ones with the bigger engine. You still have to find a spot big enough to park the monster no matter what. If I were to be buying a small pickup, it would be either the Toyota or Nissan.

Ken....

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Originally posted by cal30 1906:
Thanks Mac

I felt like I personaly Single handedly ruined the American economyby buying a Toyota.


I did give it a boost though and bought a 2008 Dodge diesel, But I still use the best compact pickup made for alot of things around here.



Cal30

You don't have to worry about buying a Toyota, they are made in the USA, they are just better designed, and put together, than the typical American stuff. They are about the best vehicle made in the USA, by American workers.

The people who are brain washed are the ones who think they should buy inferior products simply because they are made in the USA.

In this case Toyota is made here, and by American workers, who are treated like human beings, instead of the way employees at GM are treated. On top of that, the so-called JAP JUNK from Toyota is shipped all over the nation by American truckers, and rail road employees, and sold by American dealers, who employ American Michanics, salesmen, and the advertizment is done by American companies. After that for the next 300,000 miles the Toyota will be the user of American gas, use American made after market acessaries, All this without haveing to have the front end aligned every three months, then sold on the used car market, makeing more money for another group of Americans.

At the rate things are going...in 10 years, Toyota might be making the best full size truck in America.

To put in my 2 cents about the oil change thing. I had a 1988 Toyota 4x4 that I changed the oil every 5-6k miles using regular (not synthetic) 10w-30, 20w-50 oil and got over 300,000 miles on it. It was my daily driver, boat tower, wood hauler, and hunting rig...so it wasn't like those were highway miles. I have a family and if you notice Toyota and Nissan are also some of the SAFEST trucks/SUVs to be driving...ford, chevy, and dodge usually come through those tests with failing colors..

For small pickups jap is best. I had an 90 Isuzu trooper until the price to rebuild it overshadowed the rigs price. The thing had 180,000 miles on it and with most of those in Soth America, usually at high altitude (above 10,000. With lockers the turn on-turn off type can be hard to turn while the all time will be easier. I saw a Jeep Brute driving around the other day and it was a neat little rig.

This is for all you Toyota lovers,

Killing a toyota part 1

Part 2

Part 3

enjoy.

ps I drive a jeep.

John

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Originally posted by cal30 1906:


The only thing I have ever replace has been the timing belt and the starter.



Cal30

You should also replace the water pump when you replace the timing belt.

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You should also replace the water pump when you replace the timing belt.

Actually I did but forgot that I had.
Because the labor was basicly free as it had to come off anyways.



cal30

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:

Show me a 4x4 vehicle with "auto hubs"
and I'll laugh at you for having them.

auto hubs regardless of make fail.

Allan, How many modern 4x4's available new in the US still have manual hubs?

Automatic hubs used to be a weak point, and possibly still are for 4x4's that are really hammered off road, but they are pretty reliable these days..

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
Electric shift T-cases? Bwhahahah!!!
Why would you trust an electric motor over a STEEL LEVER? You just know a steel lever MUST work.

I'll ask the same question again..how many new 4x4's are still available with a manual T-case?
They are certainly not uncommon, but they are declining in availability as 4x4's get more "yuppie"

I'll add a couple more...How many 4x4's come with live beam axles front and back, and coil springs? Live beam axles on the front are becoming a thing of the past being replaced by Independent Front Suspension, and that is usually coupled with leaf springs at the rear especially on pick-ups..

How many 4x4s still come with a big straight six diesel devoid of engine management computers and anything more complex than a glow plug? A big diesel will give you loads of torque at low RPM, and good engine breaking, both highly desirable when off roading..

Its hard to find a good basic 4x4 these days and I think it will only get harder in future unless you are willing to buy something "military surplus"

Regards,

Peter

I would have to admit I used to be the die hard buy everything American kind of guy. Anymore as far as the new stuff is concerned I'd buy Toyota anyday of the week. I've worked as a mechanic for the past 11 years, most of them at a Ford dealership. And I can say without a doubt their pick up quality has diminished greatly in the past seven years in my opinion. I myself prefer the old stuff. I drive a 77 Bronco, 69 FJ 55 Toyota Landcruiser, and a 79 F-250 Crew Cab for pulling. After driving the Old 40 something year old Toyota, they were tough to beat even back then. I've installed a cam gear in it and that's it. Original motor and trans too. I've done alot of time in the 80's Rangers and Bronco II's and they were great. But mid 90's they went to pot with the introduction of the Explorer I think. To make a long story even longer, get a pre 04 Taco. My .02 cents for what it's worth.

My 91 Toyota 4x4 is running quite well with only 228,000 miles so far. It sits for several days - always starts right up and would be what I loaded the family in if I really had to escape a forest fire off road .....not the newer Z71 with 110K miles. They just keep working and are very, very, good off road.

I've owned 1 Ranger in my life, and that was an 86. It was a good truck, didn't have any problems with it. Traded that for my 89 F-250. Which I put Detroit lockers in both front and rear. Ran 36" Buckshots for several years(without a lift!). Almost rolled it twice, and put in a mud hole where the water was over the front head lights. Where it sat and ran for 15 minutes before enough water got in the distributer to kill the engine.
Broke a front axle hammering a hill off a sharp corner once. Took it in and Ford warrantied it under the 6yr 60,0000 mile drive train warranty!
My buddy with the Toyota bent an idler arm in his front end, and Toyota wouldn't warranty it because he was using it off road!
The truck sits for weeks/months at a time now since I don't really use it much except to haul my quad up to the mountains and haul debris away from my home. It fires and runs within 2 seconds of turning the key, no exceptions! To me that is good enough!
It doesn't do America any good to buy Japanese cars and trucks. Try towing a Toyota to your favorite hunting spot. Then try it with a Ranger, and see who can still be used!?

Toyota Tacoma for me....
My daily driver is a 98 Taco V6 w/5 speed 4x4 w/diff lock...great dependable truck with only 137K miles & has the TRD & SR5 pkg's....uses 1/2 qt 5w30 syn oil between changes @ 5K miles & gets 18-24 mpg...also have an '05 Taco DC 4x4 the wife drives w/4.0 & auto...w/50K miles...regular oil changes...clean filters..timing belt & w/pump at 90K miles and drive 'em....my puller is an '02 Chev 6.0 gas 2500HD crew...I'm happy with Toyota products..the Chev' too....

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auto hubs regardless of make fail.

Every thing is auto hubs, Except maybe one ton and larger.

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Its hard to find a good basic 4x4 these days and I think it will only get harder in future unless you are willing to buy something "military surplus"

I honestly think there would be a market for a bare-bones pickup, no carpet, lockouts, manual transfer case, solid axles!

No doubt the Toyota is the way to, but only because of the locking differential, or what they call "diff lock". It is not a limited slip as it it fully locks the rear diff. It electronically turns your axle into a locked spool at the simple touch of a button. It is an option (TRD) on new tacomas and 4runners. Too bad the big three has never offered anything like that. With the rear wheels locked on a tacoma in 2wd, you can darn near go anywhere any other of the trucks you mentioned can in 4wd. Stick a winch on it and confidence will ooze out of you.

There aren't any trucks, small or large that can go where a 4WD can, just because you have a locked rear end. Pickups are too lite in the ass end, and don't have any traction. Thats why I have often wondered why anybody would buy a 2WD pickup.
Having a truck with locked axles both front and rear, I know what its like! Having a locked rear end has its advantages and its draw backs. If you spin out on snow or ice, you're going sideways in the back end. If you are locked at both ends, the whole rig slides sideways!
"True" 4WD takes some practice to actually use without getting into trouble!
But, once you have mastered it......you are the one that everyone else has to try and keep up with!

This is a joke right?

Taco, by a mile.