You've been bit.

08 March 2010, 17:05

Peter

You've been bit.

As most of you can tell, I am not in favor of peeing on dogs or biting them etc. I am not a professional trainer but have owned dogs all my life. Having said that I AM in favor of trying ANYTHING that will avoid the dog being "put down" ie killed, because the owner has determined that the dog is "too far gone".

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Its real easy to wash a dog out or have it put down instead of doing the work to clean up a problem the owners are most likely the cause of. Often the poor dog has been shocked or beat so often they don't understand correction any more.

The above quote rings true to me, and I have recommended before, the moral course of action here is for the owner to get professional help with this dog.

Peter.

08 March 2010, 18:18

J D

Peter
I think you understand where I am comeing from.
Back then I was fearless and was not going to fail, even if it required getting in Harms way.

I was going to do what was need for the dog!

JD

16 March 2010, 13:07

youp50

The dog is scheduled for some Professional help. Michigan law forbids anyone to put down a dog if he/she isn't a vet. (I wonder who lobbied that one through.)

He is too much of a liability in town.

BTW my hand is still sore where he got me.

16 March 2010, 18:18

Peter

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Michigan law forbids anyone to put down a dog if he/she isn't a vet

Hmmm? Do you mean a "do it yourself" put down, kinda like shooting it? If so, I am not surprised. However, I am assuming that by "professional help" you mean you are hiring a dog trainer or remedial specialist. If so, good job! Do you have the name of the person? Please keep us posted on the result. Why not contact the "dog whisperer"? Perhaps you can be on TV and we can all learn something.
Peter.

17 March 2010, 15:20

youp50

Sorry Pete, the professional is the Vet.

18 March 2010, 00:27

Peter

Youp, I am VERY sorry to hear that.
Peter.

18 March 2010, 01:13

youp50

I am sorry to have to do it Pete. I kind of like the dog. I live in town and when he bit me there were witnesses. If he would ever bite anyone else, I would be working for them for three or four years. I guess you would have to call it a business plan.

The alternative is a double wire pen where no one can get their fingers through. Always keeping the dog under physical restraint. No way for a dog to live.

I have two friends that were neighbors. One a single Mom and the other a single Dad. He had a Plott Hound that her kids would tease. The dog was tied and the kids would come into his yard and tease the dog. He would go and complain to her. Keep your kids out of my backyard and away from my dog. One day the dog played possum and her daughter got too close. She got bit very hard on her face. 20k plus attorney fees was what the judge ordered and that was almost 20 years ago. Too much risk in this sue happy society

18 March 2010, 22:03

Gatogordo

I know it's painful, but probably the right decision. It's just as easy or easier to love a good dog than one that creates it's own set of problems. Get a new lab puppy and go from there, or, I not sure what your local area is like, but down here there are often decent dogs for little or no money because the owners are moving, can't afford to feed them, etc.

19 March 2010, 03:55

JonP

I have bred and trained dogs for 40 years. What it really comes down to is...will you ever be able to fully trust a dog again that his bitten. The answer is really .. no ... because from a liability standpoint you can't guarantee that the stimulus that sets the dog off can be prevented or that you can monitor the dog at all times.

When yo have "read" enough dogs, you know the difference between the dogs that are "testing" the pecking order and those that have real behavioral problems. There is sometimes only one responsible solution. No dog is worth one "stitch" on a child...

19 March 2010, 22:11

PPosey

You did what you needed to do with the dog period, it was a liability and danger,,, personally if it had bitten me like that I would have grabbed hold of the collar and the dog and I would have had it out right then and there. That was your window of oportunity,,, after that he had gotten away with it. I would not have really "hurt" the dog but it would have thought I was going to kill it!

Ever watch a Alpha dog keep order in a group of dogs? nothing gentel or friendly about it, fangs are out and dogs get hurt learning their place,,,kept a pack of plott hounds for years, I NEVER had problems with one showing agression towards me or mine, they were friendly and loving towards me as I was towards them, but they knew who was boss,, new dogs learned that quick more from the way the other older dogs treated me with respect, a hard headed dog would learn quickly from me personally. and plotts are hard headed dogs with rough personalities when it comes to taking orders and establishing pecking orders,,, I had a big red plott that would pound another dog in a heartbeat to keep his alpha status amonst the dogs but always came up to me tail down and acting goofy,, and I let him run amuck through the other dogs if they needed it because things were real smooth with him in charge of the other dogs. Dogs are not people, they do not think like people or respond like people.

24 March 2010, 01:52

rcamuglia

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Originally posted by J D:
The dog bite because he is confused as to who pack leader is. I would have gotten him by the nose and the balls lay ed on top of him and bite his ear until he submitted, then peed on his head just like a alpha leader. The e-collar will only make it worse unless it is strong enough to put him on the ground. If he picks the fight you better be able to finish it so that he won't do it again. You must react the instant he shows aggression and you must win even if you get bite. You take his legs away and use your body weight to pin him , you keep control of the nose and his balls. Biting his ear and squeezing his balls will make him summit if he can't fight back. You will need to make him wine like a puppy. If you are not able to or willing to be alpha leader and enforce it he will bite again. If you had grabbed his tall and he only bite only once it may have been out of fear but the second bite after knowing it was you tells the tail. Think about how much damage would have been done with out a heavy glove on, If he shook your arm during the bite just put him down, that is a very aggressive and dangerous dog. I would not trust him near small children! If you are not willing or able to do what I suggested, get some professional help or put him down. Do not give him away with out explaining to the new owner what problems you are having that would be wrong and dangerous. Do not take this lightly!!!

I once rescued a 90 lb GSP I was told had nipped a child, I latter found out the it had bitten several people. He jumped on our bed while my wife and I were standing next to it. My 100 lb wife fussed at him, his eyes rolled back in his head and he attacked in a full fit of rage. If I had not been there to intercede my WIFE or 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WOULD HAVE BEEN INJURED OR KILLED ( I have no doubts about that)! The dog had no clue what it was doing.

JD

Best post yet.

24 March 2010, 23:24

buckeyeshooter

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Originally posted by youp50:
By your own dog. Hard.

The dog is a 6 yr neutered male Chocolate. Tends to not listen with out an electronic hearing aid. Was abused as a pup, the breeder apparently let other pups dominate at the feed dish. My dog would grab and go with the food when he first got here. Food is very important to him.

The situation. We went out the back. The neighbor was playing with her almost year old black lab bitch. She is a nice big female that dominates my dog fetching. Mine will beat her to it, but gives it up to her when she catches up to him. I didn't see the neighbors till we were out. My dog did not have his hearing aid on. He left his throw disc and went to sniffing and marking the snowbanks. Less than 30 yards and he is totally ignoring me. I call and head his way. He gets on the snowbank where another neighbor put out some cereal. My dog is now totally ignoring me as I reach for him. We have big snow banks and are eye to eye height. He is facing directly away, but aware of me. I reach for him and he starts to move off. I grab his tail and he turns and bites me. I reach to restrain him and he bites me again. I am not pulling his tail, just holding. I have leather gloves on, so no skin is broken. A day later the hand is still swollen.

Put yourself in my shoes and what do you do? Immediately and follow through.

Thanks

Hate to say it, dog must go. I don't allow dogs to bite me under any circumstances. He gets to meet Sam Colt out in the back 40 with a shovel.

25 March 2010, 17:35

RCHOUSER

I would think hard about putting the dog down and start over with an animal that can be trusted. It would depend on what my objectives were.

If my objective was to see if I could reconstruct the dog, I would remove him from soceity unless he was on a lead and then do the long slow bond building thing. (been there done that)

If my objective was to have a viable hunting partner who I could take onto public hunting lands, I think that I would put the dog down and go find a new partner.

What would you do if your human hunting buddy turned around on the snow drift and sucker punched you not once, but twice. Would you worry about how you could make him stop punching you, or, would you find a new hunting partner.

my 2 cents. rc